if Karwa fire one there are 3 more replacements readly available. We don't need those lousty drivers on doha roads. I have no symphathy for them. Fire and Hire in Doha style
I have also read SL's post in which he had repeatedly said that because of him many Karwa Drivers have been sent packing home. SL if you keep on firing Karwa Drivers like that there will not be any driver left for Karwa. The Karwa will go bankrupt and then your friend "the operations manager" will be out of job. And you will not be in a position to fire any more Karwa drivers
My husband is working at Qatar and was looking for job at Qatar for the past few months.
I was submitting my resume to every advertisement I saw in net. I’m in Malaysia and due to my financial commitments I couldn’t just resign from my current job and go to Qatar. SL came across my resume and offer help to extend my resume to his contacts.
With SL’s help I managed to find a job and SL personally went and pass my offer letter to my husband. In August I’m going to Qatar joining work with a very established company. I’m sure I wouldn’t have got this job without his help especially at that company.
I really appreciate his help. You see I’m a total stranger living Malaysia, but SL helped me with good intension. Believe me this is true. His help meant a lot to me and my husband.
SL how many people have you tried to deport including the Karwa drivers? YOu claim to have recruited 50 ppl but looking at your comments regarding Karwa drivers it could be double the number.
Giving jobs to ppl is no big deal. If you are in positions of authority its a little bit easier.
Remember that because of the tips received from the so-called kindergarten brains many have got jobs which otherwise would have been a struggle for them.
Whether my money or not it is not your business. But I definatly have the power to stop them or grant them. wake up go to the Industrial area and talk to these people. You will find they consider they are lucky if their employer giving them leave after 3 years. Mix with real people to see the real life. You want me to bring you to a labour camp to show the real situation. You all TEABOY SYMPHATIZERS dare to go to Industrial area after 7.00pm on a Thursday. Come with me to go to a Labour camp on a Thursday Night. I challenge you
I pity on SL. I believe that he wasn't able to sleep well after QL people bombarded him with their violent comments on his post.
But, for me, SL is no perfect. He has his own ways of acting and reacting things/situations come his way.
In our existence in this world, I know that sometime in our lives, we reacted and did misdeeds to our fellows, whether to our colleagues or the people around us.
I'm no perfect, too. In the same way what SL did to the salesman. He was wrong, alright, but, sometimes, we are like that, too (but, not to the extent that we put the person down). Coz, sometimes, in the spur of the moment, we tend to overreact the situation.
To you SL, don't say sorry to the QLers. But, say sorry to the person you've hurt - the SALESMAN. But, then again, don't force yourself to do so. Just wait for the right time and feeling that you really felt so sorry of what you did. It's just a matter of accepting the fault. Trust me, after you say sorry to the salesman, you'll be relieved. And YOU WILL RESPECT YOURSELF MORE.
If do not give the job for him how he is going to work in the frist place. Stop uttering non-sense. Having me as the Boss is a privilage for them. wherelese they get yearly paid return tickets to go home and comeback. I am sure non of the bosses of TEABOY SYMPHATIZERS will not grant that.
He might gave them recommendation and opportunity but they are the one working hard for it. He should not take it as their "debt of gratitude" for him to insult them!
Anyways, SL keep doing your recommendation and giving opportunities to those less fortunate people I am pretty sure having you as their "boss" is a regret!
this really at the height of conceit, you don't have to brag all the so called "GOOD THINGS" you've done for others just to prove to all of us here that you are a GOOD MAN. One word is enough ...you know the word "SORRY"?.
May i say, all Ql'ers also want to help less fortunate people in their own little way without bragging it.
I think this will be my last post in your forum, its useless, worthless and HOPELESS ...CASE! PEACE
To less fortunate people - More 50 PPl from all over the asia is working here and make a better living here beacause of me and I gave these people the oportunity not some TEA BOY SYMPHATIZERS here.
It speeks volumes for itself.
Even some forum members whom I never seen in real life have got jobs here based on my recomendations.
So I don't give damn about these TEA BOY SYMPHATIZERS who speek behind the screen and not even try to help so call less fortunate people.
Ask them to go and fly kites.
How about this which I received this morning
Hi SL,
Allow me to first say thank you sincerely for taking the time to read
my PMs and allowing me to send you my resume. I understand that you
must be very busy and I am indeed quite speechless when you can offer
assistance to unknown strangers on the other side of the globe. So
once again, regardless of the outcome, I am very thankful for your
help.
My name is Jimmy Chan (born in Hong Kong) and raised in Montreal,
Canada. I am a Canadian Citizen (this seems to be important in Qatar)
who recently graduated in Computer Engineering. I have said to myself
that I will not start working for the sake of working. This is the
time for me to look further, try new things and explore the world.
This motivation of mine has led me to Qatar Living, then to you. I am
also a risk taker, who never backed down from any challenge regardless
of the industry where I ended up working in and I never let any
opportunity slip away.
I have been reading more on Qatar Living lately and I must agree with
the other fellow, it is virtually impossible for new graduates to
start their career in Qatar. It is a place where professionals gather
to fulfill the growing demand of manpower, but definitely not for the
inexperienced (unless you are a Qatari of course).
I will keep my writing short and I truly appreciate your time. Please
It's hard to imagine life pre-super stardom for the likes of Sirs Mick Jagger and Elton John but they both made their way to the top via decidedly humble beginnings
From tea boy to Rocket Man
Sir Elt, who has clocked up nearly 80 hits over four decades, began his extraordinary career as Reginald Dwight, working as a tea boy for a music publishing company.
At the age of 16 he was earning £1 a night banging out bar room favourites, such as Roll Out The Barrel, at his local pub. He eventually saved enough to buy an electric piano before joining the band Bluesology.
But it wasn't until May 1968 that our Reg became a superstar in waiting, changing his name to Elton John before teaming up with fellow songwriter Bernie Taupin.
on teacher's salaries, so my sister and I knew how to do all the household chores from the time we were old enough to grab a towel out of the dryer. I raised both my boys to do laundry by the time they were each 5 years old. (yes, I COULD afford household maids by then, but chose not to because I ended up cleaning before and after they came!) Now, bear in mind that I never bought anything red, cause then they would end up wearing pink underwear..at that point, guess they weren't tighty whiteys any more! Anyway...they both learned how to cook, clean and iron. Their girlfriends always made the comment that they want to raise their kids the same way.
Teaboys, maids, servants, whatever called, still deserve to be treated with respect as they do a job and usually do it with more determination and pride in what they do than I've seen in some corporate offices from CEOs. Everyone has a starting point in their lives and for some it may be teaboy...or that may be what they choose to remain, but it should be their choice, not by someone who is determined to keep them in their place.
As I see it, respect is something that is earned. One earns another's respect by voluntarily doing the things I mentioned above, such as taking that person's feelings, needs and thoughts into consideration.
Respect seems to be like a boomerang in the sense that you must send it out before it will come back to you. Respect cannot be demanded or forced, though sometimes people mistakenly believe that it can.
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Do we call them tea boy...i think they are hired as office boy whose job to run errands and do other odd jobs. The same employee than serves tea who is not even trained how to handle trays and how to serve tea.
Recently I brought One pack of doilies to cover those filthy stained trays, tea serving is an art, a art no one learned or practised.
The only tea i sipped was once in Majed jewellery at Al Sadd when I went for my interview....very presentable way of serving tea.
Most of the elite companies have lousy way of serving tea. But who cares ppl who love tea would drink anything which looks like red or milky.
Companies should invest in tea/coffee makers instead of hiring ppl to give tea. Let the office boys become Office assistants.
Where I work most of our senior staff get their own cup of tea ( and they are all well bred,westerners) we Indians/filipinas still need ppl to serve us, Typical asian mentality.
Btw teaboy is slang dont we use this: If you keep eating like that you'll turn into a Teaboy
If respecting someone means respecting their feelings and their survival needs, then if a person does not respect your feelings, they don't respect you. If those in positions of power and authority do not respect your needs and feelings, they will not earn your respect.
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we have a coffee/tea/milo dispenser, just press a button, the paper cup drops out and coffee/tea/milo will be dispensed! For those who want 'customised' coffee/tea/milo, they do it themselves!
I am not sure why in Doha you need someone to do this or that. And in IBM, or at least when I used to to work there, there are no office assistants, executives are expected to do their own filing, scanning, etc. They may ask the department secretary but she's not obliged to help out.
Mail? The receptionist simply slot into the pigeon hole for each department/section. The secretaries for each department or even employees themselves go the pigeon to check for the mail!
As much as I love the lovely tea staff, I think I'd rather work in an office where there were people to do the things you couldn't be bothered to do yourself, like filing, photocopying, scanning, faxing - tedious stuff that takes forever, rather than someone to make me tea.
I wish there was someone who would deliver the mail, for instance, not the coffee!
When I was in Qatar we had a maid who would press/iron our clothes. And i never throught it was difficult until they day I went to canada and had to do it myself. I burned two of my best shirts and thats not all, the firealarms as they are a must in North America greeted the smell of the burning cotton by ringing. The firemen came to reset the alarms and the whole residence/hostel (with 100 students) came to know of my heroic deed. It was the talk of our residence for one whole month. Luckily my next adventure went without being noticed (Thank God)
I had never done my laundry in Qatar so I didn't know which color goes with whites and which clothes should be washed separately. I mixed all of them together put them in the washing machine and came back after 30 minutes to realize that my vests, briefs and all the undies have some textures/shades that they didn't have before. Bit it went un-noticed as they are worn underneath the other garments
Morale of the story: It is okay to have maids servants but teach your kids these simple house chores becasue they might need them one day.
I forgot to tell that I learned how to iron my clothes from a girl who was living in the same residence. (I still owe you)
Remeber treat your servant with the same respect as your wish to be treated by your bosses
I've been there done that Cornellian...as a college student I mean doing my laundry, cleaning my rooms etc ...it's good for you and a necessary rite of passage!!!
With a mom like u, inshallah they will become fabulous people. I think the mixture of nationalities is important if u have alot of staff, because they won't feel inferior. As for a lil college student like me, I don't need a helper so I'm glad I don't have that responsibility. Besides, if my mom found out I have someone to clean behind me, I'd get my ass kicked lol
Thanks Cornellian...I wouldn't have it any other way. For me to treat employees disrespectfully or take advantage of your authority over them is plain and simple unethical. We are all created equal and equal to each other we are.
I forgot to mention that my staff are a mixture of nationalities...east, west, north and south. My housekeeper is Scottish...I've been introduced to some amazing food like homemade Scotch Broth and oatcakes! The head of house management is Vietnamese and she is one of the most efficient people I have ever met. I've learned so much from her...she's amazing.
there was a quote i had read somewhere, but cant remember it right now, but the jest of it was or what i had understood from it was,
-no matter how high profile you are, or wealthy and surrounded by people who love you and praise you, but if you a rude to a waiter, then you arent a nice person at all.
I know how u feel andrew, when I want to ask for something I ask I'd be really shy! And go like please, thank u and all that, sometimes I feel guilty. But I try to be really nice to any helper, whether at home, in the grocery store or elsewhere, I try to show them that they're appreciated.
In the west, it's really expensive to get help, but I bet if it were as cheap as here, everyone would eventually get helpers.
I agree andrew11121...it's all about respect and worth. You should also make sure they get paid properly for their time. And the thing which infuriates me most of all is seeing people treat people they have authority over like garbage. Grrr...
God bless u diamondgirl, inshallah more people will start thinking like u.
Sometimes in a big household, helpers are needed and I'm sure the helper would rather work and get paid than not work at all. The key is how we treat them, some people think that if they're the employer then they have every right to treat the helper like a slave. Slavery days are over, in today's world we deal with contracts, noone is anyone's slave...I hope people are realizing that.
There are very compelling reasons why buying shoes manufactured by sweatshop labour is still better than not buying them - you're giving someone paid employment that the wouldn't otherwise have had, and boycotting such products has been shown in the long run to have only negative economic consequences. Witness the recent discussions about 'Fair Trade' coffee and whether or not the benefits are passed on to growers as yet another example.
I don't do any ironing because I want to both save my time to do things I'd prefer - here I can afford to do that but in Australia I can't. I guess the point I poorly made was that, economically speaking, in the white western world the cost-benefit of domestic staff is not there - you would have to work much longer hours to afford to have someone do your ironing, cook your clothes and make your dinner. That's why you have kids :p
Here of course it's a different thing. You can afford to do all those things, but I still feel uneasy asking someone to make me tea. Yes, I know it's their job, and that they enjoy it, and that were it not for carrying cups of coffee up and down corridors they'd be living in abject povery on the outskirts of Manilla or something, but it still makes me feel uneasy!
But as X5 rightly points out, as long as you treat those who work with you and and for you with the respect they deserve, then nothing more can be expected of you.
Domestic staff are sometimes necessary and important in households. In my case I have staff operating on a 24/7 basis (not the domestic staff, the security staff are on 24/7). They play an important role in keeping a very large house and grounds running efficiently. I work and have children and to have a hierarchy of staff allows me to spend more time with my children and also more time for my work.
I guess it depends how you treat them. In my mind they are employees and are respected for the role they play for the family. They work eight hour shifts and have two days off per week. We usually hire married couples with children so they live here as a family in provided housing. We pay for the children's education. They are paid a fair salary. We offer one paid educational course per year for those who wish to eventually change their job. It's all on a contract basis. Most of our employees request to extend their contract.
I know that there are many domestic staff in this country who work under difficult conditions. Part of my work is to promote change in this area.
Oh yeah, please..they are not 'teaboys'. We call ours 'waiters, or butlers in some instances'.
X5 ... agree with what are you saying 100 percents. You can employ as many as you want since you can afford them. But not treating them like a piece of shit. Unfortunately i have seen it too many here. But thats another story.
The point is not wheather you have a domestic or office help, the question how you treat them. You can have your tea boy/bud girl, ass wiper if you want one and can afford one, but that does not give you the right to insult them. The true character of a man/woman is revealed by how he/she treats people who are below them in the social hierarchy.
Andrew - to make a generalisation I have always found Aussies and South Africans to be extremely self sufficient and resourceful with a great have a go attitude.
Also people get jobs because
a) they have a needed skill
b) they will do something someone else doesn't want to.
Providing employment is good - my cleaner certainly prefers that I employ him than he does without the job.
I don't find it patronising to me - and I value the high standards and honesty of his work and the fact it frees me up to do other things.
If someone is not sure about the ethics of employing a cleaner please rethink - you would probably make a great employee because you have thought about it and someone would appreciate the work
You may be right. Living a healthy active lifestyle gives us the energy to always keep us on the go. People like you tend to multitask for time is really important. You need to do things by yourself especially physical challenges for your body asked for it. I’ve been in several Arab countries, and I’ve observed a lot of practices contradicting your philosophy.
I lov the faintly superior way in which you write suggesting that doing housework and making tea for yourself is some sort of enlightened way of life. The western race now come full circle.
Nonesense.
Feel free to do your ironing and make your coffee but I am very very happy to have staff do that for me so that I can spend the time doing other things that I prefer
I was speaking to an Indian friend here about how the notion of any sort of domestic assistance is totally foreign to me and probably most Australians. Maybe you might have a cleaner come in for an hour or two each week, but basically families cope without.
She asked who does all the housework and I told her - the kids. When we grew up we spent our youth either working in the home (cleaning, cooking, washing etc) or working in a part time job. When I tell my friends here about this, whether they are Indian or Arab or whatever, the assume that I must have come from a really, really poor family since we obviously couldn't 'afford' to have servants.
But for us it isn't a question of money, we just don't see it as necessary - how much help do you really need in a household???
And now living here I have difficulty coping with the idea that there are staff to make my tea and coffee or pour water into a glass for me. I mean seriously - it's instant coffee... it's not that hard!! I find it patronizing to think that someone has to place a tea bag into a cup and then add water - do you think I'm too stupid to do it myself??? And frankly most of the time I used to get up to go for a cup of tea in my old job, it wasn't because I was thirsty it was because I wanted to stretch my legs and go for a little walk and maybe say hi to colleagues on the way!
Of course everybody has a brain, but fuctioning capacity of the brain is what she was talking about. All of us can not be brain surgeon or rocket scientist even if we had the opportunity to study the subjects because we are not all that smart.
I think the heavy reliance on tea boys here reflects the "semi feudal" society in Qatar if I may say. when I watch American soaps and series I hardly find any maids (really very rare, and if it happens it is only to serve people who are very rich and live in mansions or palaces) while if you take a look around at the life style of the people here (sadly speaking, including many westerners) you will find that the reliance on huge numbers of servants, drivers, nannies.. etc is the norm.
As far as I am concerned, I love to serve my self and prepare my own things, I consider it a part of the enjoyment, but may be that is because that is how my parents raised me, can't expect the same from everyone.
Why do you need a tea boy/man? Did you have one back home? In our office we have one guy who washes dishes (we used to put our cups in the dishwasher back home, but there isn't one here in the office). The same guy also brings water, fixes leaks, changes light bulbs etc. etc. He is very nice and professional.
As for SL he got what he deserves, his posts are very insulting. He is following the cycle of abuse - there is no escape. Abuse is somthing one should not 'pay it forward'.
What did you mean about "did you read Richard's comments? Even he dont agree that you ae good guy...."
Does that mean that you think that I am so bad that even my low standards could not support SL? Just kidding, I know what you meant. But I also know SL and his strange sense of humor. He was just having fun and trying to start a controversy. Don't take him seriously. His wife doesn't.
Victory attained by violence is tantamount to a defeat, for it is momentary. Mahatma Gandhi
I enjoyed reading this last night..Ql was too slow so I couldn't reply.
If Sl had minimum common sense he would have not said that statement. If the tea boys had brains like an Engineer...he would be Sl's boss and not a tea boy...lol.
He was asking testimony from Richard123 & the other guy..(forgot his name Vez...) about his character….did you read Richard's comments? Even he dont agree that you ae good guy....
He thought after posting his adventure... we will all think that he is a super hero....show your power and position to people in your own level and not with these under privileged human beings...
When I was at university I was tea lady at the hospital on the weekends. I really enjoyed my job esp on geatrics ward. The oldies were polite and friendly. Often of course very interesting about 'when I was a lass.......' stories.
such as 'the best time of my life when the GIs came to our village...ha ha ha ha'
I saw great testaments of love with one husband saying, 'I met her over fifty years ago and she is still as beautiful as the day I met her'
it was a better job that serving drunken nobs in a pub.
having access to copious amounts of tea also helped my hangovers!
Whew! At least you admitted it. If only you were here last night, and have seen how this topic changed/edited by KK a lot of times. Harharhar! I even pm'd E46m3 and thought he was the one, and he said 'Hell no!' tee hee!
qatari is right, men not boys of course. But the terminology is quite common, like houseboy. As there can only be one man of the house the cleaner becomes a boy.
We have this guy in our office and he is the first to come to the office and maybe the last. I'm making my own coffee and tea and never ask him unless I'm under work pressure and can't even move. Even in that case, I will go to him to the kitchen and ask him if he can please make me a cup of coffee and send it, thanking him again before going back to my office. No need to mention that he sometimes ignore other people and makes me my cup of coffee instead.
Someone was angry at him that day because he was busy and that guy was shouting all the time, WHERE IS MY TEA!!!! like if he is the only one there, more than that he is from the same nationality and was fighting him where is my tea. I told him that, he is busy with a lot of other things so don't expect him to be a coffee machine making your coffee with one click. and he was like, .. but he should .. so I told him, you should sit in your office and wait. Leave him alone until he brings you your tea.
Treat people the same way that you want them to treat you.
Don't have a "tea boy" in our office. We get our own tea. If there is a meeting sometimes the admin assistant will get it, worse comes to worse we will ask our Nepali Jack of all trades and I'm sure in some offices would be called a "teaboy" all I have to say is we could afford to loose anyone in the office but those two.
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well whatever we say bad with other people especially to those who are less priviledge one it will bounce back to you... so be careful... these tea boys try their best have a descent job and they also owe some respect they are narrow minded so who can understand them more? ask yourself
He is getting me mad .. when i ask for tea he is getting me a tea with milk .. when i ask him wut is that i asked for tea he says it's not good to drink only tea in the morning ... it end up with a laugh telling him so nicely .. plz when i say i want tea then u should bring tea .. he offer to change it but i refuse and tell him it's ok this time .. and after about 2 or 3 days he do that again to me ..
Wut a good teaboy .. he cares about my health more than i do ..
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For How many people you have given the job. Just don't talk B.S. will you
if Karwa fire one there are 3 more replacements readly available. We don't need those lousty drivers on doha roads. I have no symphathy for them. Fire and Hire in Doha style
I have also read SL's post in which he had repeatedly said that because of him many Karwa Drivers have been sent packing home. SL if you keep on firing Karwa Drivers like that there will not be any driver left for Karwa. The Karwa will go bankrupt and then your friend "the operations manager" will be out of job. And you will not be in a position to fire any more Karwa drivers
Just a Thought.
I would like to tell here something……
My husband is working at Qatar and was looking for job at Qatar for the past few months.
I was submitting my resume to every advertisement I saw in net. I’m in Malaysia and due to my financial commitments I couldn’t just resign from my current job and go to Qatar. SL came across my resume and offer help to extend my resume to his contacts.
With SL’s help I managed to find a job and SL personally went and pass my offer letter to my husband. In August I’m going to Qatar joining work with a very established company. I’m sure I wouldn’t have got this job without his help especially at that company.
I really appreciate his help. You see I’m a total stranger living Malaysia, but SL helped me with good intension. Believe me this is true. His help meant a lot to me and my husband.
SL how many people have you tried to deport including the Karwa drivers? YOu claim to have recruited 50 ppl but looking at your comments regarding Karwa drivers it could be double the number.
Giving jobs to ppl is no big deal. If you are in positions of authority its a little bit easier.
Remember that because of the tips received from the so-called kindergarten brains many have got jobs which otherwise would have been a struggle for them.
And you dont find them bragging about it.
SL, good to know that you are influential in finding a job for 50 or so.
What ever you do, it's always your prerogative.
I have met you in person, meet and greet thing.
But I can say that deep inside, there's a good man in you. You even brought your wife with you, so all these storied about your wife and you aren't
I just wish that the picture I'm getting from your posts is not who really you are.
I just wish that you only made up this story about the teamen, teaboy and etc.
I am a teaboy symphatizer.
YOU ARE A VERY VERY VERY GOOD GOOD GOOD MAN!
Cheers,
HONESTY is HARD ATTRIBUTE to FIND
I will shut up now! Thank you.
Btw, I got "ANGELA'S ASHES" by FRANK MCCOURT in exchange of River Piedra.
Cheers,
HONESTY is HARD ATTRIBUTE to FIND
Whether my money or not it is not your business. But I definatly have the power to stop them or grant them. wake up go to the Industrial area and talk to these people. You will find they consider they are lucky if their employer giving them leave after 3 years. Mix with real people to see the real life. You want me to bring you to a labour camp to show the real situation. You all TEABOY SYMPHATIZERS dare to go to Industrial area after 7.00pm on a Thursday. Come with me to go to a Labour camp on a Thursday Night. I challenge you
I pity on SL. I believe that he wasn't able to sleep well after QL people bombarded him with their violent comments on his post.
But, for me, SL is no perfect. He has his own ways of acting and reacting things/situations come his way.
In our existence in this world, I know that sometime in our lives, we reacted and did misdeeds to our fellows, whether to our colleagues or the people around us.
I'm no perfect, too. In the same way what SL did to the salesman. He was wrong, alright, but, sometimes, we are like that, too (but, not to the extent that we put the person down). Coz, sometimes, in the spur of the moment, we tend to overreact the situation.
To you SL, don't say sorry to the QLers. But, say sorry to the person you've hurt - the SALESMAN. But, then again, don't force yourself to do so. Just wait for the right time and feeling that you really felt so sorry of what you did. It's just a matter of accepting the fault. Trust me, after you say sorry to the salesman, you'll be relieved. And YOU WILL RESPECT YOURSELF MORE.
God Bless You, Mr. SL.
is it your own money, you are giving to them? They deserve it because they work for it!
Cheers,
HONESTY is HARD ATTRIBUTE to FIND
If do not give the job for him how he is going to work in the frist place. Stop uttering non-sense. Having me as the Boss is a privilage for them. wherelese they get yearly paid return tickets to go home and comeback. I am sure non of the bosses of TEABOY SYMPHATIZERS will not grant that.
He might gave them recommendation and opportunity but they are the one working hard for it. He should not take it as their "debt of gratitude" for him to insult them!
Anyways, SL keep doing your recommendation and giving opportunities to those less fortunate people I am pretty sure having you as their "boss" is a regret!
Cheers,
HONESTY is HARD ATTRIBUTE to FIND
this really at the height of conceit, you don't have to brag all the so called "GOOD THINGS" you've done for others just to prove to all of us here that you are a GOOD MAN. One word is enough ...you know the word "SORRY"?.
May i say, all Ql'ers also want to help less fortunate people in their own little way without bragging it.
I think this will be my last post in your forum, its useless, worthless and HOPELESS ...CASE! PEACE
To less fortunate people - More 50 PPl from all over the asia is working here and make a better living here beacause of me and I gave these people the oportunity not some TEA BOY SYMPHATIZERS here.
It speeks volumes for itself.
Even some forum members whom I never seen in real life have got jobs here based on my recomendations.
So I don't give damn about these TEA BOY SYMPHATIZERS who speek behind the screen and not even try to help so call less fortunate people.
Ask them to go and fly kites.
How about this which I received this morning
Hi SL,
Allow me to first say thank you sincerely for taking the time to read
my PMs and allowing me to send you my resume. I understand that you
must be very busy and I am indeed quite speechless when you can offer
assistance to unknown strangers on the other side of the globe. So
once again, regardless of the outcome, I am very thankful for your
help.
My name is Jimmy Chan (born in Hong Kong) and raised in Montreal,
Canada. I am a Canadian Citizen (this seems to be important in Qatar)
who recently graduated in Computer Engineering. I have said to myself
that I will not start working for the sake of working. This is the
time for me to look further, try new things and explore the world.
This motivation of mine has led me to Qatar Living, then to you. I am
also a risk taker, who never backed down from any challenge regardless
of the industry where I ended up working in and I never let any
opportunity slip away.
I have been reading more on Qatar Living lately and I must agree with
the other fellow, it is virtually impossible for new graduates to
start their career in Qatar. It is a place where professionals gather
to fulfill the growing demand of manpower, but definitely not for the
inexperienced (unless you are a Qatari of course).
I will keep my writing short and I truly appreciate your time. Please
do not hesitate to contact me for any inquiries.
Kindest Regards,
xxxxxxxxxxxxx
SL
No argue about your brain's worth. How about your heart and soul.
I just wish your children will be as successful as you are right now, that they will never experience what you were doing to less fortunate people.
BRAVO!!
My brain is worth gold in its weight to my My employers and more to other potential employers
It's hard to imagine life pre-super stardom for the likes of Sirs Mick Jagger and Elton John but they both made their way to the top via decidedly humble beginnings
From tea boy to Rocket Man
Sir Elt, who has clocked up nearly 80 hits over four decades, began his extraordinary career as Reginald Dwight, working as a tea boy for a music publishing company.
At the age of 16 he was earning £1 a night banging out bar room favourites, such as Roll Out The Barrel, at his local pub. He eventually saved enough to buy an electric piano before joining the band Bluesology.
But it wasn't until May 1968 that our Reg became a superstar in waiting, changing his name to Elton John before teaming up with fellow songwriter Bernie Taupin.
..and Bryan Ferry as well.
on teacher's salaries, so my sister and I knew how to do all the household chores from the time we were old enough to grab a towel out of the dryer. I raised both my boys to do laundry by the time they were each 5 years old. (yes, I COULD afford household maids by then, but chose not to because I ended up cleaning before and after they came!) Now, bear in mind that I never bought anything red, cause then they would end up wearing pink underwear..at that point, guess they weren't tighty whiteys any more! Anyway...they both learned how to cook, clean and iron. Their girlfriends always made the comment that they want to raise their kids the same way.
Teaboys, maids, servants, whatever called, still deserve to be treated with respect as they do a job and usually do it with more determination and pride in what they do than I've seen in some corporate offices from CEOs. Everyone has a starting point in their lives and for some it may be teaboy...or that may be what they choose to remain, but it should be their choice, not by someone who is determined to keep them in their place.
( Teaboy's , salesman , salesperson and sl )
As I see it, respect is something that is earned. One earns another's respect by voluntarily doing the things I mentioned above, such as taking that person's feelings, needs and thoughts into consideration.
Respect seems to be like a boomerang in the sense that you must send it out before it will come back to you. Respect cannot be demanded or forced, though sometimes people mistakenly believe that it can.
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Do we call them tea boy...i think they are hired as office boy whose job to run errands and do other odd jobs. The same employee than serves tea who is not even trained how to handle trays and how to serve tea.
Recently I brought One pack of doilies to cover those filthy stained trays, tea serving is an art, a art no one learned or practised.
The only tea i sipped was once in Majed jewellery at Al Sadd when I went for my interview....very presentable way of serving tea.
Most of the elite companies have lousy way of serving tea. But who cares ppl who love tea would drink anything which looks like red or milky.
Companies should invest in tea/coffee makers instead of hiring ppl to give tea. Let the office boys become Office assistants.
Where I work most of our senior staff get their own cup of tea ( and they are all well bred,westerners) we Indians/filipinas still need ppl to serve us, Typical asian mentality.
Btw teaboy is slang dont we use this: If you keep eating like that you'll turn into a Teaboy
A couple of the main characters, who 'teach' the youngster in the book the values of life, are The sister-goddesses.
Their names are:
Mrs Doasyouwouldbedoneby and Mrs Bedonebyasyoudid
I think the first 'name' should be considered a golden rule in all society, because otherwise the meaning of the second 'name' kicks in!
Just a thought. Lovely book (and film) by the way
If respecting someone means respecting their feelings and their survival needs, then if a person does not respect your feelings, they don't respect you. If those in positions of power and authority do not respect your needs and feelings, they will not earn your respect.
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we have a coffee/tea/milo dispenser, just press a button, the paper cup drops out and coffee/tea/milo will be dispensed! For those who want 'customised' coffee/tea/milo, they do it themselves!
I am not sure why in Doha you need someone to do this or that. And in IBM, or at least when I used to to work there, there are no office assistants, executives are expected to do their own filing, scanning, etc. They may ask the department secretary but she's not obliged to help out.
Mail? The receptionist simply slot into the pigeon hole for each department/section. The secretaries for each department or even employees themselves go the pigeon to check for the mail!
Respect
To respect a person is not possible without knowing him; care and responsibility would be blind if they were not guided by knowledge.
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As much as I love the lovely tea staff, I think I'd rather work in an office where there were people to do the things you couldn't be bothered to do yourself, like filing, photocopying, scanning, faxing - tedious stuff that takes forever, rather than someone to make me tea.
I wish there was someone who would deliver the mail, for instance, not the coffee!
i agree with you, servants are also human and we should aware how they work hard to feed their love ones.
When I was in Qatar we had a maid who would press/iron our clothes. And i never throught it was difficult until they day I went to canada and had to do it myself. I burned two of my best shirts and thats not all, the firealarms as they are a must in North America greeted the smell of the burning cotton by ringing. The firemen came to reset the alarms and the whole residence/hostel (with 100 students) came to know of my heroic deed. It was the talk of our residence for one whole month. Luckily my next adventure went without being noticed (Thank God)
I had never done my laundry in Qatar so I didn't know which color goes with whites and which clothes should be washed separately. I mixed all of them together put them in the washing machine and came back after 30 minutes to realize that my vests, briefs and all the undies have some textures/shades that they didn't have before. Bit it went un-noticed as they are worn underneath the other garments
Morale of the story: It is okay to have maids servants but teach your kids these simple house chores becasue they might need them one day.
I forgot to tell that I learned how to iron my clothes from a girl who was living in the same residence. (I still owe you)
Remeber treat your servant with the same respect as your wish to be treated by your bosses
I've been there done that Cornellian...as a college student I mean doing my laundry, cleaning my rooms etc ...it's good for you and a necessary rite of passage!!!
With a mom like u, inshallah they will become fabulous people. I think the mixture of nationalities is important if u have alot of staff, because they won't feel inferior. As for a lil college student like me, I don't need a helper so I'm glad I don't have that responsibility. Besides, if my mom found out I have someone to clean behind me, I'd get my ass kicked lol
i agree with you, nice quote indeed.
and another thing, what message would that be sending to my children? I'm bringing them up to be fabulous people I hope!
Thanks Cornellian...I wouldn't have it any other way. For me to treat employees disrespectfully or take advantage of your authority over them is plain and simple unethical. We are all created equal and equal to each other we are.
I forgot to mention that my staff are a mixture of nationalities...east, west, north and south. My housekeeper is Scottish...I've been introduced to some amazing food like homemade Scotch Broth and oatcakes! The head of house management is Vietnamese and she is one of the most efficient people I have ever met. I've learned so much from her...she's amazing.
If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion - The Dalai Lama (1935 - )
happy heart
DRIVE SAFE,someone is waiting for you at home
there was a quote i had read somewhere, but cant remember it right now, but the jest of it was or what i had understood from it was,
-no matter how high profile you are, or wealthy and surrounded by people who love you and praise you, but if you a rude to a waiter, then you arent a nice person at all.
happy heart
DRIVE SAFE,someone is waiting for you at home
I know how u feel andrew, when I want to ask for something I ask I'd be really shy! And go like please, thank u and all that, sometimes I feel guilty. But I try to be really nice to any helper, whether at home, in the grocery store or elsewhere, I try to show them that they're appreciated.
In the west, it's really expensive to get help, but I bet if it were as cheap as here, everyone would eventually get helpers.
I agree andrew11121...it's all about respect and worth. You should also make sure they get paid properly for their time. And the thing which infuriates me most of all is seeing people treat people they have authority over like garbage. Grrr...
God bless u diamondgirl, inshallah more people will start thinking like u.
Sometimes in a big household, helpers are needed and I'm sure the helper would rather work and get paid than not work at all. The key is how we treat them, some people think that if they're the employer then they have every right to treat the helper like a slave. Slavery days are over, in today's world we deal with contracts, noone is anyone's slave...I hope people are realizing that.
I totally agree with what each of you are saying.
There are very compelling reasons why buying shoes manufactured by sweatshop labour is still better than not buying them - you're giving someone paid employment that the wouldn't otherwise have had, and boycotting such products has been shown in the long run to have only negative economic consequences. Witness the recent discussions about 'Fair Trade' coffee and whether or not the benefits are passed on to growers as yet another example.
I don't do any ironing because I want to both save my time to do things I'd prefer - here I can afford to do that but in Australia I can't. I guess the point I poorly made was that, economically speaking, in the white western world the cost-benefit of domestic staff is not there - you would have to work much longer hours to afford to have someone do your ironing, cook your clothes and make your dinner. That's why you have kids :p
Here of course it's a different thing. You can afford to do all those things, but I still feel uneasy asking someone to make me tea. Yes, I know it's their job, and that they enjoy it, and that were it not for carrying cups of coffee up and down corridors they'd be living in abject povery on the outskirts of Manilla or something, but it still makes me feel uneasy!
But as X5 rightly points out, as long as you treat those who work with you and and for you with the respect they deserve, then nothing more can be expected of you.
Yes, that is another story Novita 77. Hope the proposed changes in sponsorship law will be some help. But I will believe it when I see it.
Domestic staff are sometimes necessary and important in households. In my case I have staff operating on a 24/7 basis (not the domestic staff, the security staff are on 24/7). They play an important role in keeping a very large house and grounds running efficiently. I work and have children and to have a hierarchy of staff allows me to spend more time with my children and also more time for my work.
I guess it depends how you treat them. In my mind they are employees and are respected for the role they play for the family. They work eight hour shifts and have two days off per week. We usually hire married couples with children so they live here as a family in provided housing. We pay for the children's education. They are paid a fair salary. We offer one paid educational course per year for those who wish to eventually change their job. It's all on a contract basis. Most of our employees request to extend their contract.
I know that there are many domestic staff in this country who work under difficult conditions. Part of my work is to promote change in this area.
Oh yeah, please..they are not 'teaboys'. We call ours 'waiters, or butlers in some instances'.
X5 ... agree with what are you saying 100 percents. You can employ as many as you want since you can afford them. But not treating them like a piece of shit. Unfortunately i have seen it too many here. But thats another story.
The point is not wheather you have a domestic or office help, the question how you treat them. You can have your tea boy/bud girl, ass wiper if you want one and can afford one, but that does not give you the right to insult them. The true character of a man/woman is revealed by how he/she treats people who are below them in the social hierarchy.
Andrew - to make a generalisation I have always found Aussies and South Africans to be extremely self sufficient and resourceful with a great have a go attitude.
Also people get jobs because
a) they have a needed skill
b) they will do something someone else doesn't want to.
Providing employment is good - my cleaner certainly prefers that I employ him than he does without the job.
I don't find it patronising to me - and I value the high standards and honesty of his work and the fact it frees me up to do other things.
If someone is not sure about the ethics of employing a cleaner please rethink - you would probably make a great employee because you have thought about it and someone would appreciate the work
You may be right. Living a healthy active lifestyle gives us the energy to always keep us on the go. People like you tend to multitask for time is really important. You need to do things by yourself especially physical challenges for your body asked for it. I’ve been in several Arab countries, and I’ve observed a lot of practices contradicting your philosophy.
I lov the faintly superior way in which you write suggesting that doing housework and making tea for yourself is some sort of enlightened way of life. The western race now come full circle.
Nonesense.
Feel free to do your ironing and make your coffee but I am very very happy to have staff do that for me so that I can spend the time doing other things that I prefer
andrew I 176% agree with you :), wish everyone think the same way
I was speaking to an Indian friend here about how the notion of any sort of domestic assistance is totally foreign to me and probably most Australians. Maybe you might have a cleaner come in for an hour or two each week, but basically families cope without.
She asked who does all the housework and I told her - the kids. When we grew up we spent our youth either working in the home (cleaning, cooking, washing etc) or working in a part time job. When I tell my friends here about this, whether they are Indian or Arab or whatever, the assume that I must have come from a really, really poor family since we obviously couldn't 'afford' to have servants.
But for us it isn't a question of money, we just don't see it as necessary - how much help do you really need in a household???
And now living here I have difficulty coping with the idea that there are staff to make my tea and coffee or pour water into a glass for me. I mean seriously - it's instant coffee... it's not that hard!! I find it patronizing to think that someone has to place a tea bag into a cup and then add water - do you think I'm too stupid to do it myself??? And frankly most of the time I used to get up to go for a cup of tea in my old job, it wasn't because I was thirsty it was because I wanted to stretch my legs and go for a little walk and maybe say hi to colleagues on the way!
Of course everybody has a brain, but fuctioning capacity of the brain is what she was talking about. All of us can not be brain surgeon or rocket scientist even if we had the opportunity to study the subjects because we are not all that smart.
I think the heavy reliance on tea boys here reflects the "semi feudal" society in Qatar if I may say. when I watch American soaps and series I hardly find any maids (really very rare, and if it happens it is only to serve people who are very rich and live in mansions or palaces) while if you take a look around at the life style of the people here (sadly speaking, including many westerners) you will find that the reliance on huge numbers of servants, drivers, nannies.. etc is the norm.
As far as I am concerned, I love to serve my self and prepare my own things, I consider it a part of the enjoyment, but may be that is because that is how my parents raised me, can't expect the same from everyone.
Just passed here to wish you a wonderful day.
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I was replying to sl's comments....of course we all have brains... when did I say you dont...oopzz sorry someone dont have brains?? lol
gypsy gal....I think you ment oppurnity (to study) - Financially, Family Support & a Good teacher.
Cause everybody has brains.........lol...we all gotta watch what we say.
Why do you need a tea boy/man? Did you have one back home? In our office we have one guy who washes dishes (we used to put our cups in the dishwasher back home, but there isn't one here in the office). The same guy also brings water, fixes leaks, changes light bulbs etc. etc. He is very nice and professional.
As for SL he got what he deserves, his posts are very insulting. He is following the cycle of abuse - there is no escape. Abuse is somthing one should not 'pay it forward'.
I was looking for your yesterday's comment on him..couldnt find.... No I didn mean to say that..lol
In fact we really miss your sensible comments these days..
What did you mean about "did you read Richard's comments? Even he dont agree that you ae good guy...."
Does that mean that you think that I am so bad that even my low standards could not support SL? Just kidding, I know what you meant. But I also know SL and his strange sense of humor. He was just having fun and trying to start a controversy. Don't take him seriously. His wife doesn't.
Victory attained by violence is tantamount to a defeat, for it is momentary. Mahatma Gandhi
I enjoyed reading this last night..Ql was too slow so I couldn't reply.
If Sl had minimum common sense he would have not said that statement. If the tea boys had brains like an Engineer...he would be Sl's boss and not a tea boy...lol.
He was asking testimony from Richard123 & the other guy..(forgot his name Vez...) about his character….did you read Richard's comments? Even he dont agree that you ae good guy....
He thought after posting his adventure... we will all think that he is a super hero....show your power and position to people in your own level and not with these under privileged human beings...
When I was at university I was tea lady at the hospital on the weekends. I really enjoyed my job esp on geatrics ward. The oldies were polite and friendly. Often of course very interesting about 'when I was a lass.......' stories.
such as 'the best time of my life when the GIs came to our village...ha ha ha ha'
I saw great testaments of love with one husband saying, 'I met her over fifty years ago and she is still as beautiful as the day I met her'
it was a better job that serving drunken nobs in a pub.
having access to copious amounts of tea also helped my hangovers!
Whew! At least you admitted it. If only you were here last night, and have seen how this topic changed/edited by KK a lot of times. Harharhar! I even pm'd E46m3 and thought he was the one, and he said 'Hell no!' tee hee!
So where the hell is SL?
I am threatening him here now he wont say any thing :D
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Original Topic. Khalid, what now. What's your stand? Someone threatening you here?
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qatari is right, men not boys of course. But the terminology is quite common, like houseboy. As there can only be one man of the house the cleaner becomes a boy.
I don't know.
are you doing sister? Well, it was something different and talking about tea men. Get updated later to something irrelevant, don't know why.
I'd been wanting to comment on this but yes my internet soooooo slow? someone edited the main topic title?
Cheers,
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What's going on...????
He is the MOST MOST MOST valuable man in our office...
Gooood cup of coffee to start-a-day!!!!!
We have this guy in our office and he is the first to come to the office and maybe the last. I'm making my own coffee and tea and never ask him unless I'm under work pressure and can't even move. Even in that case, I will go to him to the kitchen and ask him if he can please make me a cup of coffee and send it, thanking him again before going back to my office. No need to mention that he sometimes ignore other people and makes me my cup of coffee instead.
Someone was angry at him that day because he was busy and that guy was shouting all the time, WHERE IS MY TEA!!!! like if he is the only one there, more than that he is from the same nationality and was fighting him where is my tea. I told him that, he is busy with a lot of other things so don't expect him to be a coffee machine making your coffee with one click. and he was like, .. but he should .. so I told him, you should sit in your office and wait. Leave him alone until he brings you your tea.
Treat people the same way that you want them to treat you.
Peace ...
Don't have a "tea boy" in our office. We get our own tea. If there is a meeting sometimes the admin assistant will get it, worse comes to worse we will ask our Nepali Jack of all trades and I'm sure in some offices would be called a "teaboy" all I have to say is we could afford to loose anyone in the office but those two.
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Calling a grown man a boy is insulting. These fine gentlemen are often the hardest workers in most offices.
Please don't refer to grown men as boys...Thank you.
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well whatever we say bad with other people especially to those who are less priviledge one it will bounce back to you... so be careful... these tea boys try their best have a descent job and they also owe some respect they are narrow minded so who can understand them more? ask yourself
He is getting me mad .. when i ask for tea he is getting me a tea with milk .. when i ask him wut is that i asked for tea he says it's not good to drink only tea in the morning ... it end up with a laugh telling him so nicely .. plz when i say i want tea then u should bring tea .. he offer to change it but i refuse and tell him it's ok this time .. and after about 2 or 3 days he do that again to me ..
Wut a good teaboy .. he cares about my health more than i do ..
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Teaboys are quite often very important people.
limbic region still works well.
I love our teaboy. He’s a nepali with very good manners. He speaks good English better than SL lol!
guess I should be subjected to the play pen to play with some balls and skittles.
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