IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS IN QATAR...

I havent found any hookers out here... I dont knw wht the hell is the speaker talking about?

Of all the points one thng is evident that he sympathizes with the arabs though.....

What the hell is gone bizarre with this world?

What goes around, comes around...

Yea yea yea RED. It is a pretty cool job for the dogs. My husband has a lot of fun being a handler. I don't think it's something that he could ever give up.

The element of surprise works both ways. You could catch the bad guys of guard, or the bad guys catch the good guys off guard. Let them guess work their judgement. Sorry If you are not working. But I don't mind the doggies doing their cool job.

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery

None but ourselves can free our minds..

It's not exactly a big secret. Obviously, the highest level of security is used on bases around the world. That includes bomb and patrol dogs. Come on RED!! You know it's not a secret. I miss hearing OPSEC...I miss working damnit.

OPSEC SABBIABELLA

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery

None but ourselves can free our minds..

On the U.S. bases and Qatar also has detection dog kennels here with various purposes(mainly narcotic).

I'm curious, what are bomb dogs doing in Qatar??

yaaaay!!! I like what you said !!

Like it Like it Like it!!!

Keep it up plz!

Yeah Sami, you're right, although it's hard for them to live here.

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No, he works with a bomb dog. He works for a security contractor...that's how he got into it. They do training here everyday but the initial training of the dog is done in the States.

What type of dog is a Sulkie? Big or small?

is your husband training the dogs out here as a bomb handler? thats amazing, how did he get into out im fascinated how do they train the dogs, where do they do this? Its just i have a sulkie and he spends all his time sniffing things for hours and if i could invent a game for him where he smelt things out he would be in heaven! it would be such a treat for him!!!

My husband is a bomb dog handler. I guess that means I am biased as far chowing down on dog meat. I've seen how his dog and the rest of the dogs work. It's incredible. There are so many factors that go into their work. My husbands dog can pick up even the smallest odor from weapons that were in a car from several weeks/months back.

Eating a dog is awful. I can't imagine this. An animal that is widely used as a pet should remain in that role. Not in the frozen meat section at wal-mart. I feel the same about cats and rabbits.

REDPOPE...I love your article. It's very informative. Thank you for posting it.

Origins

Main article: Origin of the domestic dog

Dogs were domesticated from wolves as recently as 15,000 years ago,[1] or perhaps as early as 100,000 years ago based upon recent genetic, fossil and DNA evidence.[2] Other research suggests that dogs have only been domesticated for a much shorter amount of time and were domesticated from populations of wild dogs, which had previously diverged from wolves.[3][4]

New evidence suggests that dogs were first domesticated in East Asia, possibly China,[5] and the first peoples to enter North America took dogs with them from Asia. Genetic research has identified 14 ancient dog breeds, with the oldest being the Chow Chow, Shar Pei, Akita Inu, Shiba Inu and Basenji. Because many of the 14 breeds are associated with China and Japan, the theory that the dog originated in Asia seems to be likely.[5]

Human relationships

Dogs, like humans, are highly social animals and this similarity in their overall behavioral pattern accounts for their trainability, playfulness, and ability to fit into human households and social situations. This similarity has earned dogs a unique position in the realm of interspecies relationships.

The loyalty and devotion that dogs demonstrate as part of their natural instincts as pack animals closely mimics the human idea of love and friendship, leading many dog owners to view their pets as full-fledged family members. Conversely, dogs seem to view their human companions as members of their pack, and make few, if any, distinctions between their owners and fellow dogs. Dogs fill a variety of roles in human society and are often trained as working dogs. For dogs that do not have traditional jobs, a wide range of dog sports provide the opportunity to exhibit their natural skills. In many countries, the most common and perhaps most important role of dogs is as companions.

Dogs have lived with and worked with humans in so many roles that their loyalty has earned them the unique sobriquet "man's best friend".[6] However, some cultures consider dogs to be unclean. In some parts of the world, dogs are raised as livestock to produce dog meat for human consumption. In many places, consumption of dog meat is discouraged by social convention or cultural taboo.

Terminology

The English word dog, in common usage, refers to the domestic pet dog, Canis lupus familiaris. The species was originally classified as Canis familiaris by Linnaeus in 1758. In 1993, dogs were reclassified as a subspecies of the gray wolf, Canis lupus, by the Smithsonian Institution and the American Society of Mammalogists. "Dog" is sometimes used to refer collectively to any mammal belonging to the family Canidae (as in "the dog family"), such as wolves, foxes, and coyotes. Some members of the family have "dog" in their common names, such as the African Wild Dog. The constellations Canes Venatici, Canis Major and Canis Minor are named from the Latin word for "dog," for their perceived resemblance to dogs.

The English word dog might derive from the Old English docga, a "powerful breed of canine". The French dogue and Spanish dogo as in dogo Argentino are borrowings from English. The English word hound is a cognate of the German Hund and Dutch hond which, though referring to a specific breed in English, means "dog" in general in German and Dutch. Hound itself derives from the Proto-Indo-European *kwon-, which is the direct root of the Greek κυων (kuōn) and the indirect root of the Latin canis through the variant form *kani-.[7]

In breeding circles, a male canine is referred to as a dog, while a female canine is called a bitch. Offspring are generally called pups or puppies until they are about a year old. A group of offspring is a litter. The process of birth is whelping. Many terms are used for dogs that are not purebred.

Intelligence

Main article: Dog intelligence

Among dog lovers, dogs are generally valued for their intelligence, and both anecdotal evidence and scientific research suggest that dogs have a reasonably high intelligence. This intelligence is expressed differently with different breeds and individuals, however. For example, Border Collies are noted for their ability to learn commands, while other breeds may not be so motivated towards obedience, but instead show their cleverness in devising ways to steal food or escape from a yard. Being highly adaptable animals themselves, dogs have learned to do a great number of very eclectic jobs as man has required over the generations. Dogs are employed in various roles across the globe, proving invaluable assets in areas such as search-and-rescue; law enforcement (including attack dogs, sniffer dogs and tracking dogs); guards for livestock, people or property; herding; Arctic exploration sled-pullers; guiding the blind and acting as a pair of ears for the deaf; assisting with hunting, and a great many other roles which they may be trained to assume. Dogs are descended from wolves, and are also pack animals, making them easier than other animals to train because dogs' instincts are to obey. Most dogs rarely have to deal with complex tasks and are unlikely to learn relatively complicated activities (such as opening doors) unaided. Some dogs (such as guide dogs for the visually impaired) are specially trained to recognize and avoid dangerous situations.

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, None but ourselves can free our minds..

I think that the Islam is "torn apart" because of media. The world sees Muslim extremist and automatically generalize the entire Muslim community. It's small minded really. I have seen many people in the States do it. I know they don't do it because they're "evil" but because they're ignorant to the subject. However, I have noticed that most are willing to listen to someone that has more knowledge in the area.

I myself do not believe in any certain religion. I believe in God, I believe he is a higher power. I believe in good morals. Also, I think it is only natural to "question" religion. There is nothing wrong with that. We were given brains...therefore, we think.

thankyou for answering my question - that was good of you. Yeah i had heard that muslim was the fastest growing religon in the world. I believe that all religions are equal and no one religion is better than another persons. As long as we all try and live out lifes the right way without harming other beings then we cant go wrong. At the end of the day everyone wants to be happy if religion brings that to you, then good, if just living and being you brings you happiness then good too. Everyone is equal and wants the same thing in this world to be happy! I belive in buddhism wasnt born a buddhist it just kind of called me. I dont quite understand where all this huge debate over the muslim religon comes from? Why are no other religions discussed this way like on Ql? I know we all live in a muslim coutry and abide by the certain rules and that makes people question the religon, but we live in a muslim country so we deal with it. Why are no other religions torn apart the way the muslim religon seems to be?

Remember this motto to live by:

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving

safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in

sideways, chocolate in one hand martini in the other screaming oh what a ride"

Thanks for your response. It just goes to show that sometimes, just sometimes these threads and posts do actually help in fostering understanding rather than division.

I cant resist all the words of Vega, you are very good :} and so faithfullll...very touching! do u have something in french? abt why do someone have to convert to moslem when they want to get married with moslem? coz i never can explain this to him....Thanks

Tyler,

I do not mean by asking questions, the question about how to grow with Islam…

I mean the question which has no answers…

For example:

Can any Muslim tell you why they directed to Kaaba while prying… why they did not directed to any other direction (north, west, east, etc) what is the point!? can any give you a logical reason or explain it!!!?

Can any Muslim tell you why he washes his hands, face, arms, etc…before praying…and why these parts only…why no less or no more…why he does not go for a shower instead!!!?

Why Muslims go for Hajj…, and why they tour around the Kaaba seven times, why not eight or nine or one or any other number???

A lot of questions, if you go behind your mind, you will end up with 2 ways either you become mad or atheist…

There is only one answer, “it is Allah’s order and it not questionable or negotiable, you perform it as it is, you have your mind mind to know how to perform it and do it the right way, not to debate or deny it and ask why???”

Explaining the Hadith is not related to the above question, and you can question how to follow and perform the Hadith, not why the Hadith wants me to do this or that…

In the sample of the BBC:

I am not claiming other gods here; I just explain how people become so willing and fearless to compare their creator with a man like them.

Richard123

“Also, don't make the mistake of thinking that Islam is superior to Christianity. I don't think God/Allah would see it in those terms.”

In which part of my speech I implied this kind of thinking, I never judge religion by the behavior of their people…however do not deny that Christianity becomes very weaker or let's say Christianity followers become less in Europe and taken over by atheism.

Anyway, I am not in fight or contest with anyone or any religion and I like what you wrote “I think we should leave it to a higher authority (you know the one I mean)to make that determination.” It implies your religiosity.

BTW, there is a verse in Qurann with the same meaning, but I would not stated here as some get offended.

I have met a lot of Christians and Atheists even Jews and talked a lot with a full respect to each other. I believe sometimes people misunderstand the written words.

Regards,

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"Did ye then think that We had created you in jest, and that ye would not be brought back to Us (for account)?"

Surah "Al Mo'Emnon" verse (115)

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u were right..i've been in moslem school for 12 years, i learned so much abt it, in the last school they teach us too abt bible, since that i change my perseption abt life. I have faith but never determined to make it superior to others.

In fact i married christian guy.......we are two different things!

Why is that everytime i go to this forum oftenly talked abt religion and pork and whatever attrack anger, can we talk abt something fun? movie, places, books, etc?

sami just cranky and not happy and i guess he never get laid recently..he got so much anger hormon to spend....hohohohoho

I work in the great Kingdom of Qatar, One day, I could be 25, 000 miles posting in QL another day 23 kilometers from your house. It all depends, how I feel doing business. No, I don't have the time of the world, otherwise I will be parting with Mr. Tyler everyday.

Do not invite death by the error of your life, nor bring on destruction by the works of your hands; because God did not make death, and he does not delight in the death of the living.

Solomon Chapter 1, verses 12-13

Lets put it this way. If someone asked me to respond to a poll like this I wouldn't bother. Its just stupid sensationalism that all media dream up to create news.

Years ago John Lennon claimed that the Beatles were bigger than God. I think he was just being ironic and perhaps a little provocative. Of course it became 'big news".

"The type of people who would respond to such a stupid poll are exactly the type of people who would prefer Beckham to God."

Care to enlighten me as to what kind of person that is richard?

I can see your point and much of what you have written is true but don't pay too much attention to statistics such as the BBC poll. The type of people who would respond to such a stupid poll are exactly the type of people who would prefer Beckham to God.

Also, don't make the mistake of thinking that Islam is superior to Christianity. I don't think God/Allah would see it in those terms.

As you have pointed out yourself, religion is about faith. We either have our various religions or we are atheists. For those who believe and have faith, their view is just as valid as yours. I think we should leave it to a higher authority (you know the one I mean)to make that determination.

In the meantime we should be both respectful of all religions. After all, it is not a contest.

You again contradict yourself in your post above. You state that God sent HIS prophets...then later you claim the "other God".

Perhaps if you would undertsand that the 3 major religions worship a god, one god, and he is the SAME god you would be less self righteous.

By any name all 3 major religions worship one god by any name he is the one.

Also you state that as a Muslim you cannot or do not question the teachings of faith. How can you explain a Haditha? This is a ruling or interpretation made by man. Not only is it made by man but it is the thoughts and beleifs of that man which interprt his decisions and opinions.

Muslims do question though maybe not openly for you as an individual to say you do not question the writings is prudent yet many muslims must question certain things or Haditha's would be unnecessary.

A thinking man created by god with a will and the ability to rationalize should question faith and religion. God created you with this ability to guide your life and grow in your faith. You cannot expect to grow and develop your faith without question. Children (yes even muslim children) question faith continually while growing up yet you as an adult have forgotten how you were initially inquisitive and interested in learning. Being stationary in life and thought will only lead to your being passed by change.

Hmmm- which personality is coming out today?

I would chose Beckham over God anyday. Beckham could get me free football tickets.

Charmed,

I will try to answer your question, hope I success.

The Middle East was all the time the origin of Judaism, Christianity and finally Islam.

The Kaaba, in Saudi Arabia was first marked by Adam, and then raised by Abraham , then Allah sent his prophets one after the other till Mohamed who was the last one.

He was sent with Islam to be the latest religion and message from Allah to people on earth.

The Middle East was full of other religions even the atheist but after Islam almost of people here becomes Muslims and continue to be Muslims.

Then Islam spread from here to the whole earth…and a lot of people joined Islam till the moment…

By the way, according to the latest survey done by the BBC Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europe among Europeans.

Regarding, Christianity dominant Europe, it should be reviewed as while I was there I saw myself the atheism now is the dominant. It was a survey in the UK done by the BBC...whom you love much than the other God or Beckham...I will not tell you what was the result...however it was 85% to 15%...!!! guess who was the winner..!!

Regards,

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"Did ye then think that We had created you in jest, and that ye would not be brought back to Us (for account)?"

Surah "Al Mo'Emnon" verse (115)

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Dear Tyler,

Regarding your Qatari’s statement about education and income…

of religious people...

It maybe religious is inversely related to income or how much money you have…

Because when you have money…you will be weaker to resist seduction of committing sins…you will be more eager to please yourself to the end...

you know who will do this, Muslims who do not commit sins because the do not have enough money to do it...!!!

Unfortunately, they are sharing those who commit the sins with their money...amazing isn't it!!! they will commit sins by heart only because they wish if they have enough money to buy some wine and get some laid...!!

However it is not a general theory all the rich are not religious or all the poor are religious...as I explained...some rich are religious and some poor would like to be disobedient.

About education…I am not with him, as religion has nothing with your education if you can read and write, it is about how you think and how your mind working…how you understand things…

I know some people or extremist who wants to give up anything new…however they really did not understand Islam or the Islamic rules…

If you meet your Qatari friend again ask him about those people

How wealthy was Othman Ebn Affan, and Abdel Rahman ebn Ouf…and how much educated Abdu Allah ebn Abbass and Ali ebn Aby Taleb…

And ask him how much religious they were …

If you mean me by your speech, I am graduated up to B.Sc of engineering hope you have one as nowadays any one claims he is an engineer…and paid not lees than any of engineers I have ever met in Qatar or in Europe (UK and France where I worked)…(touch wood please!!).

Regards,

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"Did ye then think that We had created you in jest, and that ye would not be brought back to Us (for account)?"

Surah "Al Mo'Emnon" verse (115)

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Vega

what ever logics you will give and whatever you will say, some people will not accept it all as according to Quran* they have stamp on their Heart*

This disscusion is becoming more complex day by day,Any forum member please could start new, interesting , light subject for posting (some mind refreshing) some time QL feels like court (Disscusion in court)

HaShMi

Tyler,

I do not feel any fervor or been in zeal…I am just wonder how you people could not understand what I said…

It is very simple…

Let us take as a logic rules..

Rule # 1

You are not entitled as a Muslim to ask for explanation of any thing comes to your mind because you think it is not logical or accepted by yourself.

Or because you see it as it was prohibited because it was thought harmful and then we discovered it is not harmful, then we make it Halal or permitted. It is not going like that…

I can as a Muslim state dozens of daily things I do myself without knowing why I do it that way… or why it should be done that way and not other ways. That is what we call a belief and obey to Allah's Orders.

Rule #2

Who is entitled to say for a thing is forbidden or permitted?

Allah who only stated what is Haram or forbidden and what is Halal or Allowed.

A lot of Haram stuff is mentioned in Quraan, and others are mentioned in Sunah (Prophet Mohamed’s life).

Islam, was the last religion on earth, Allah sent his prophet in Arabic for a lot of reasons.

As you see Tyler, Arabic language is very reach in meaning for the same writing script.

But how you can understand the meaning of these scripts, it is a very complex branch of linguistic, specialists in Arabic can help you in this…

Although, the scripts may have a lot of meaning but those all meaning banded under a wide concept…like the modesty you talked about…you can understand it as being different, respectable, not excessive and a lot …but all meaning in the end will give you one concept…be modest or simple.

FYI,diamonds and gold are forbidden for Muslim males and permitted to Muslims females.

There is another important rule in Islam which the closet translation to it is syllogism. "Al-keayas"

Using this rule, Muslims can deduce what is haram and what is halal in their modern life...

And this one will answer you and Ram questions about why …cars, mobiles, or any of these stuff is not Haram yet…

All Muslims know about the “Hadith” (Prophet Mohamed’s says) “There must be no harm and no harming”

I hope I succeeded in the translation, …the meaning of this speech is very simple and in the same time is very wide to include anything that may cause harm…

A lot of Islamic specialists define the harm …to be actions that lead to death ….

But who will decide if an action will lead to death…I…Ram…you…

They should be the specialists in this field…and the decision should be submitted with a keen proof

In another words…cigarette was never been entitled as Haram and forbidden 20 years ago…

However after the scientists and medicine doctors approve and provide a strict proof that it leads to death and it certainly causes death to even non smokers who sit beside you …Muslims scholars find it must be prohibited according to the above Hadith…

Look what you are doing in the WEST to prohibit smoking…I saw in England how the NHS showed a lot in the TV how smoking kill you and your family…

In France, all the subways were showing ads to stop smoking…what is the problem with you Ram …you look like a heavy smoker…!!!

For mobiles, cars, villas, etc …If you have a proof from most specialists in these fields, that it will lead you to death …then I promise you I will give up my car, mobile. Etc…

You know, in Islam…driving your car in a way that lead you or others to death… is Haram…and people who drive their cars like crazy are committing sins…

I remember one Iftaa to Shaykh Al-Baz in Saudi…if some one drive his car above the speed limit advised by the governor of Muslims in an area he is committing a sin and Allah will punch him for doing that… as he subject himself and others to death...and if he died because he was speeding he committed a suicide...

Now after this,if a true Muslim heard that what you think he is going to do...he will drive crazy because there is no traffic camera watching him...or he will remember that Allah watching him all the time...

So, as you see Islam, is not to kill you, or to prevent you pleasing your modern life…

Islam if you really understand it, for the benefit for Muslims and non-Muslims.

I have experienced myself a heavy fight against wine and drinking while I was in the UK…and sometime told me …you are lucky people …you did not drink...as we do..

The BBC and Channel 4 adopted hundreds of MD. Doctors talked about how teenager killing themselves every Saturday night…

Ram, excuse me if my previous words appeared to be tough…I never intend to be tough and do not like hard talk, however sometimes I got nervous if someone insisted not to understand what I try to explain…

Ram,I believe you are a one of the heavy smoker Muslims

May Allah help you to give up.

Regards,

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"Did ye then think that We had created you in jest, and that ye would not be brought back to Us (for account)?"

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how do i word this, how come the quraan in predominantly folllowed in the middle east ( i know indonesia and others as well) but not the west? Why is in the west is it predominalty christian? Im just wondering here how did the Quraan start in the middle east and why not the west? i hope this makes sense? just wanting to know why certain countires have certain religions how did that happen? Was one part of the world preached to at a time? anyone know?

Remember this motto to live by:

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving

safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in

sideways, chocolate in the other screaming oh what a ride"

From a recent conversation with a Qatari friend and his father

It appears that as with many religions and cultures the amount of religious fervor and zealotry are inversely proportional to one's education and income.

Although many things in life are similar the zeal with which Vega posts his beliefs and quotes the Quran made this conversation come to mind. Although one can hold beleifs and cut and paste it is only with thought and interpretation that TRUE beleif can be acheived.

Although the above items are not specifically (by name) described as Haram in the book, the intention of Haram is health of one's self. Thought and analysis would cause you to realize that many things in modern society would be Haram had they existed thousands of years ago. Perhaps we need to find a cleric to make a decree on these items being unhealthy and then you would follow that decree.

The problem with the rational of following exactly what the Quran says is that you DO NOT follow the writings to the letter. The writings in the Quran provide guidance, much of which has been interpreted by man.

For example the Quran says men and women should dress modestly. For men this would imply no fancy bling-bling watchs, rings, or sunglasses. You would only have the minimum necessary for function.

For women this does not necessarily mean an abaya. The definition of "modestly" has been interpretted by man. As in Iran "modestly" is defined differnetly than in Saudi which is altogether different than Qatar. And modestly probably does not mean very expensive excessive makeup professionally applied in a manner to make the women look like a movie star.

This is just one glaring example of how what is written has been interpreted by man. Please feel free to argue for your beleifs but ensure you are making your own judgements and interpretations of other men should be in question by a man of faith who beleives in the writings.

Hmmm- which personality is coming out today?

To whom it maybe offended from Quraan verses…

As you do not believe in Quraan you should not be offended. I believe it means nothing to you…

I directed these verses to those Muslims who committed sins in public and gave people like you a chance to judge the whole Muslims community…

By the way, you are so strange…if a Muslim behaves like you, drink wine, or even eat pork he is a bad image and used as evidence against other Muslims. If a Muslim follows his religion and refused to follow what you want he is radical and extremist…

Could you explain what kinds of Muslims you dream with…?

Xena, I have participated in the forum as far as I have anything to share..!!

You might though I am Qatari, however I am not Qatari and I am very new to Qatar.

I am so happy, that I amused your lunch time…you are welcomed.

Regards,

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"Did ye then think that We had created you in jest, and that ye would not be brought back to Us (for account)?"

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The smoking wasn't written in qu'raan as if it is haram .. but they said it is haram bcuz it is harmfull for human health n pocket ...

on the other side ..the radiation of the mobile device is very harmfull for health and the Cars smokes is very harmfull for ur chest as well as the factories .. but bcuz u use them n u need them u have to say so "Regarding your nonsense about villas, cars, mobiles, and this stuff, yet we have not been told they are Haram….looooooooooool"

regarding "I believe all nations have their old values which should be respected as it doesn’t offend you…" i guess it should be send to musuem .. lol .. not wearing it at work n special events ..

and Plz if u wanna talk about Islam ...Don't use that tough way ... "Law kont '3alizan faz al qalb la enfadoo men 7awlak"

"If u were tough or hard hearted They will go away from u"

and I love the way posts like this, bring all the Qu'ran bashers out of the closet.....

Isn't it amazing.... normal threads attract the usual, Tyler, Richard, Alex, Sabbia, Novita, Aisha, me..... but the minute there is a religious discussion on the table, we get all the radicals popping up.....

If you want to be a part of this forum.... join all the discussions.... not only those you think are offending your religion.... This is a information forum, as well as a discussion forum.... if you put as much effort into the QUESTION posts as well, maybe we wouldn't have as many of the same questions as we do daily.... as there would be decent answers to document for future queries.....

X

I love your discussions makes me laugh at lunchtime.

Tyler and others,

Who says that pork was prohibited because they are dangerous?

Hallo, can you read English…

Sorry, people I believe that you cannot read what I have written, well.

More than 1400 years ago, I believe as you all, there were nothing called labs, engineering, microbiology, medicine or any other kinds of science.

The religion, we follow (Islam), is based on a lot of things you will not and could not imagine by your mind till you die, you just believe it by your heart.

Religion was never based on minds alone otherwise why Allah sent his prophets to people.

When Quraan, describes the creation of the human in their mothers wombs, Muslims that days has no x- rays, or ultrasonic to see and make sure to believe what they have been told.

They just believe it, and now, after more than 1400 years, your modern civilization and advanced science prove what Quraan tells them.

That is the deal, take it or leave it…and it was offered to millions of people like that.

Till to day, people who converted to Islam, go the same way…

And when, Allah tell me, do not do that …. I will never for the one do it…

Regarding your nonsense about villas, cars, mobiles, and this stuff, yet we have not been told they are Haram….looooooooooool

Tyler, your arguments are so funny and weak, please find something to be discussed.

You will never understand what I am talking about, because I am talking about a things you people gave it up more than long time ago…”belief”

So any further discussion, has no meaning we are in two completely different bays..

You believe in science and materialistic proofs, and I believe in Allah.

Regarding Muslims or whoever follows you…I will not reply them…let us see how Allah replies them…

[2][212] “The life of this world is alluring to those who reject faith, and they scoff at those who believe. But the righteous will be above them on the Day of Resurrection; for Allah bestows His abundance without measure on whom He will.”

[2][213] “Mankind was one single nation, and Allah sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; but the People of the Book, after the Clear Signs came to them, did not differ among themselves, except through selfish contumacy. Allah by His Grace guided the Believers to the Truth, concerning that wherein they differed. For Allah guides whom He will to a path that is straight.”

[3][85] “If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).”

[4][115] “If anyone contends with the Messenger even after guidance has been plainly conveyed to him, and follows a path other than that becoming to men of Faith, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell, what an evil refuge!”

[5][105]“O ye who believe! guard your own souls: if ye follow (right) guidance, no hurt can come to you from those who stray. The goal of you all is to Allah: it is He that will show you the truth of all that ye do.”

[6][29] “And they (sometimes) say: "There is nothing except our life on this earth, and never shall we be raised up again."”

[9] [69] ”As in the case of those before you: they were mightier than you in power, and more flourishing in wealth and children. They had their enjoyment of their portion: and ye have of yours, as did those before you; and ye indulge in idle talk as they did. They! their works are fruitless in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will lose (all spiritual good).”

[45][24] “And they say: "What is there but our life in this world? We shall die and we live, and nothing but Time can destroy us." But of that they have no knowledge; they merely conjecture”

Finally, I am very happy Al-Hamdou Lel Allah “thank God” with my life…

I have no intention to give up my car, mobile, HD TV, laptop, and whatever technology available you people enjoy as I use them in what Allah wants me to use them.

I enjoyed the modern life as you except wine and pork and other Haram stuff, beside my faith which has no contradiction with this modern life…

Regarding “Galbias” and “ship ship” which I consider is very nonsense argument or whatever people wear, I believe all nations have their old values which should be respected as it doesn’t offend you…

I hope and wish you all happy with your life now…as I am :)

Regards,

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"Did ye then think that We had created you in jest, and that ye would not be brought back to Us (for account)?"

Surah "Al Mo'Emnon" verse (115)

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i guess the same ..may be just somebody told him something .. or he listened to some ppl who where complaining about the country .. any way we all hope that he calmed down .. I just want him to know that human being were created to complain .. when i was in my country i was complaining n here too and i'm sure i will complain at any place i go ..that's bcuz there is no place where u can find it 100% gr8 .. there is at least 1% to complain about ..

Just a load of nonsense is right. I guess he was having a bad day and wanted to let off a little steam. Well he certainly did that!

Hey guys/gals can't u notice that Sami has just posted this thread and disappeared .. where is he ? he was just insulting some ppl or wut he was trying to do if he is not here to discuss that with us .. he should listen n argue with us too .. but like that it's all seems to be non-sense to me .. I guess so ..

I read everything people had to offer in the way of opinions on this matter then decided to put in my thoughts. As I read more and more posts in this thread, it occurred to me that this sounded a lot like a quote from one of my favorite films (Pulp Fiction). I happened to have the exchange in the form of an mp3. I post it with a warning:The language used in it is not for the easily offended. There is swearing in it but the subject matter of it does relate to the topic at hand.

Listen to the MP3: HERE

-Steve-O

G4m3r 4 l1f3

Thanks bro qatari :-)

Members are expected to be responsible enough to govern themselvs. I only step in if someone is way out of line.

Although some controversial comments ignite the forum, probably you may need to quick-check messages after members post them and before they appear on the forum.

She didn't call an individual person a tree hugger. She was talking about a type of people. She didn't call anyone in this forum a tree hugger.

firstar124 you didnt offend me! serious thou i agree with Sabbia there would be huge outcry in the US if they sold dog meat, honestly! The majority of people would ge crazy me included!

Remember this motto to live by:

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving

safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in

sideways, chocolate in one hand martini in the other screaming oh what a ride"

Read this "Living in NOrth America for over 25 years I think most people wouldn't even notice besides your "tree-hugger" types"......

I didn't say she was calling ME a tree hugger. I was making the point that i would be pissed if stores were selling dog meat and you dont have to be a tree hugger for it to bother you. I dont have many tree hugger friends or family but none of them nor any of my NON tree hugger friends would tolerate dog meat in stores. Ever.

In her defense, she didn't call anyone a tree hugger.

sabbiabella, I think Muliebriamania was referin to me as the tree hugger. I am not sure what made her think this, but i do not mind being called a tree hugger. And I do urge you sabbiabella to ask some of your non-tree hugger freinds what will be their opinion if stores in america started selling raw dog meat.

People in Asia don't eat their pets either. The dogs and cats they eat (at least in Korea) are bred and farmed for that purpose. They don't chop up Little Fluffy and eat it.

People would notice if dog suddenly appeared in stores yes, but if it was announced that dog would be sold in stores I gurantee you people wouldn't be bothered after the orginal buzz died away.

Oh and your comparison of eating anything other than a big mac and DO? That may be more outrageous than your comment that no one would notice if stores sold dog. Seriously, where in the US did you live that would make you think that??

Muliebriamania...You took my comments the wrong way. I mean that people in the US that are not originally from Asia, etc. would NEVER eat their pet. Dogs are very smart and have created better home environments for so many people. I am not at all a tree hugger type and I would never shop at a store that sells poor little HOUSEHOLD pets. You say that no one would notice? That is one of the most outrageous things i've ever heard. One store in the US starts to sell dog or cat...the media would be on that so fast. I would be one to call the local news.

I think I will double check with some of my tree hugger and not so tree hugging freinds what will be their reaction if walmart started selling raw dog meat and then i will make everyone know the feed back i got.

And also please do not think of me as tree hugger person, I just think dogs are cute animals and were not meant to be eaten just like many other animals:)

Living in NOrth America for over 25 years I think most people wouldn't even notice besides your "tree-hugger" types.

And if the demand for raw dog meat or even cooked dog meat is high, like you say, then all they have to do is petition for it. Since the right to eat dog meat has never been brought up in the courts to my knowledge I'd say there isn't really that much of a demand.

Living in the us for over 5 years, I do find it hard to belive that americans will buy their food from a place like walmart if it was selling raw dog meat. And I do think there are many places in America that the demand of raw dog meat will be very high if it was legally allowed there:)

Because others think of pigs and dogs as breakfast. Not everyone in the world thinks alike.

I meant hardly found in grocery stores to eat!!!!!!!!

And also I think many people think of both pigs and dogs as pets, so how can you be eating a cute little pet:)

I said they aren't firstar, because there aren't enough people to buy it to make it worthwhile.

I meant hardly found in grocery stores to eat!!!!!!!!

Oh and charmed, the other 4 billion people in the world who aren't muslim, Jewish, Buddhist or vegetarian don't have this "dirty meat" hang up that those groups have.

"dogs are hardly found in the us" ??????????

Uh, there are lots of dogs in the US.

It's a delicacy because it is considered an aphrodisiac.

Quote:"Why? Im curious now i dont agree with it but surely arent they percieved as dirty creatures to eat, i mean dogs will eat anything and i mean anything even what a human regurguates, how can people eat them when dogs have the habits they do? Please someone explain how this is a delicacy? is it due to lack of other meats?"

I think this is exactly how many muslims will see eating pork like.

I am not looking for dogs to give it to freinds to kill. I was just making a point that dogs are hardly found in the us. I find eating dogs disgcusting too, but was just making a point about it. I am sorry if have offended you.

Why? Im curious now i dont agree with it but surely arent they percieved as dirty creatures to eat, i mean dogs will eat anything and i mean anything even what a human regurguates, how can people eat them when dogs have the habits they do? Please someone explain how this is a delicacy? is it due to lack of other meats?

Remember this motto to live by:

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving

safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in

sideways, chocolate in one hand maritin in the other screaming oh waht a ride"

please please pleae do not tell me you are asking where you can find dogs to be slaughtered to be eaten for your friends? I have two pet dogs how anyone can eat a dog to me is crazy? Dogs are the most loyal, faihful and loving animals you will ever find please tell me i have got the wrong end of the stick and this is not the case? Have people seen how many dogs go missing out here? Too many, i often wonder why so many disappear and i see so many missing dog signs? Im getting quite worried now? As for pork, pigs are the most intelligent of all domestic animals, cows are the most placid, and sheep - well not sure about that one. Im a buddhist muself and dont condone the killing of any living thing - be it a dog, an ant or even a fly.

Remember this motto to live by:

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving

safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in

sideways, chocolate in one hard martini in the other screaming oh what a ride"

For the most part dog is sold "under the table" at Korean and Chinese restuarants. They just have to find out where to go.

As for where dogs are sold???? Ah pet stores or the SPCA. They can always look in the Classifieds.

Muliebriamania, i wanted to let you know that i went to school in the us and lived there for over 5 years. I always had complains from asian people that they can not find dogs to eat there. I would love if you can let me know where dogs are sold there, so I can help my asian buddies.

Thankyou

Dear sfd24,

Yeah that's right that's wut i'm talking about .. we should behave well to other cultures too .. not insulting or abusing them with words like not dressed properly...

Thanks dear for addressing me

Brother i am not defending Muslims, as i am not my self an Ideal one or happy with the Muslims because Muslims are not doing anything special that can be regardable for us. Specially with the Arabs Muslims, even they are not caring for the Muslims then How they can care for any other?

They are not respecting their Values so how they can give due respects to other cultures

I Have just one year in Qatar (first time out of my country) and to shocked to see Arab Muslims, Totally against my imagination. Rude, uncoperative, Not respecting Laws and not caring others. i am very sorry to say that i'll give preference to a Hindu, a jewish, a christian, a budh than Muslims if he is good in his behaviour.

Don't percieve that my posting to Tyler is showing me a strict type typical muslim. I am Human first and care for it.I don't like the people taunting others and imposing their theoriesf .

I like the people which respects others, caring for others even if he is Satin.

Regards,

HaShMi

"That is not the ONLY reason. It is inhumane to slaughter a DOMESTIC animal and eat it. That is why it's not done. The "Americans" that would do this, are generally from other countries."

You mean Domestic animals like cows, horses, pigs and chickens? Funny I thought we slaughtered them all the time.

In fact we slaughter dogs all the time, the only reason they aren't butchered and sold to grocery stores is because noone would buy it, because the demand to eat dog isn't there. Unlike say, the demand to eat pork in Qatar.

What's with the quotations around American? An American born in another country or who would eat something beyond a big mac and fries isn't a real enough American for you.

I'm Muslim ... but Muslims really r doing like that .. if it is something they need then no prob. it's not haram but if they don't need it then they scream out oh no this is forbidden n shouldn't be done ... as Islam is saying any thing which waste ur money and ur health is forbidden ... if we were restricted in that then we r not going to make factories we r not going to ride a car or use mobiles or even T.v. n radiated monitors too .. then we better go to the desert n establish some tents n stay their with camels ..

like so many funny ppls r doing here ..they r wearing this white clothes (gilbab) n going to their offices with a slipper (shib shib) and the funny thing he is holding mobile, driving a car n sitting on well furnished chair .. isn't really funny ..

Take it all or leave it all ... if u wanna wear that clothes n sit on floor n eat with ur hand then leave ur Villa n move to the desert n leave ur mobile and car ..cuz u really look so funny with it ..

Leave others alone and start to judge ur self first ...

everyone is free to live as he want to live ... I don't like wut he said about western women ..

Bytheway I'm from egypt .. and i know very well wut women from gulf do when they go to egypt in summer ... or shall i get a prove for u .. they r more than half-naked n doing nasty things in Egypt .. and even those men from gulf .. Go in the summer in egypt - cairo in a street called el-haram st. n u will see with ur eyes how gulf men n women r acting in our country ... lol . really so funny ..

The one whose house is built up from glass better not to throw others with stones ..

i have often thought about packing up and leaving qatar at times, but then every country i have lived in i have thought about packing up and leaving! We all complain about where we live- i mean dont get me started on england where i come from! People are entitled to there own opinion! The whole pork thing, yes i admit i have giggled over it, but i get your point it is a bit strong to keep going on and on about it like has been done! In reference to the dogs and cats too, we all come from different cultures here and are all use to things in different ways!! if people learnt to not take offence quickly here, that would be good!

i have never heard of making fun of the way arabs dress thou? where did that come from? The weatern attitude mmmm im sorry but i do agree with that one! Not all the western people out here, but i have picked up on this one too, its not the way people dress its the way people carry themselves and sadly out here the westerns do sometimes carry themselves that way- but then it tends to be the ones covered in diamonds! But then the arabs do carry themselves that way too, how many of us have been pushed in front of in queues by other people? Come on were all the same on here human with our own faults, no one is perfect lets just all learn to live together! lets not point fingers as thats where hate and discrminiation breeds from! and why is everyone here...for money thats why everyone works so we can live! yes i complain but then would have to go back to the uk and pay 40% tax-does that make me greedy! Yes! but then thats life and how else are we to survive? I dont pay tax here so that makes it worth it! I can handel the bad points here and there are many good points too. Lets just accept the differences we have were all human and unique in our own quirky ways!

Remember this motto to live by:

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving

safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in

sideways, chocolate in one hand martini in the other screaming oh what a ride"

I never stated nor implied that ALL muslims participated in these activities. As a point however it does appear that the national pastime of Qatar is smoking of any form. While driving, drinking coffee, and shopping it is a cultural plague upon the society.

As the comments realting to alcohol and pork have been generalized to ALL muslims despite our knowledge of this not being so I chose to use the smoking as an example.

I do not hate muslims nor any group as a whole. If you want to continue making generalizations then I can accept that but my words are specifically addressed to muslims whom I have witnessed indulging in these activities.

Not all muslims nor all christians do anything. Each person is an individual. As not all muslims smoke nor drink alcohol I was referring to those I have seen with my own eyes.

Perhaps from now own I will have to forget economy of language and place MANY before each reference to Muslims as you seem unable to conceptualize that Muslims can refer to 2 or more and not necessarily the whole of Islam.

Hmmm- which personality is coming out today?

"Also the only reason that dog is not legal to eat in Europe or the US is because there are no health standards for slaughtering them (unlike pigs). You can't just take an animal of the street, kill it and serve it in your restuarant, that's not sanitary, and that is what is illegal, not the actual eating of dog. If I wanted to kill and eat my dog I would have every right to do so as long as I wasn't serving it to others."

That is not the ONLY reason. It is inhumane to slaughter a DOMESTIC animal and eat it. That is why it's not done. The "Americans" that would do this, are generally from other countries.

I specially visit QL to read your Posts, Its good that atleast you openly show , You hate Muslims. You are just repeating the words and nothing new in your sayings.Please come with some new theories or with some new issues to continue whatever you are doing (Becaz some time you use very funny reamrks/postings worth to read for time passing) For Example just one line from your posting

*Cigarettes cause many afflictions...yet sold in mass quantities and happily enjoyed by Muslims as is sheesha*

i just confirmed by my Qatari student about Sheesha (Smoking corners). You just go in depth of your words ,every one can feel heat for MUSLIMS in your words (i feel smoke also)

its funny that all muslims are enjoying Sheesha, i even don't know about that . May i must go to achieve your certificate of Being Muslim?? (i am really enjoying your postings)

HaShMi

where do you work red pope and tyler, you have an awful amount of free time to keep posting lovely stuff here:-)

hey mulie you dissappear and then reappear, how you doing, wishing you a lovely new year of 2007.

lets give sami a break he woke up on the wrong side of the bed and before he could put his thoughts together he posted off what he felt in the heat of the moment, didnt get enough relief the night before i guess.

regarding subjects that objectionable by any religion, pls, dont read it. i havent even gone through the pork subject here, thats my freedom to choose what i wish to discuss and what not.

if you wish to interact open the thread and discuss. is anyone forcing you to type here, no, so the ones complaining, pls stop complaining. you are here by your own choice.else ignore.why is that so difficult?

lastly this is an interaction forum, other than foul langauage and personal insults towards anyone and their posting, i am fine with anything discussed here, and if you dont have the stomach to digest certain subjects, ignore it and check other topics out.

happy heart

drive safe because someone is waiting for you at home

Automobiles cause sloth which leads to many diseases...so ban automobiles.

Cigarettes cause many afflictions...yet sold in mass quantities and happily enjoyed by Muslims as is sheesha.

I could keep going but you keep going back to a limited number of items which you condemn with no regard for the multitude of things currently in your life which meet you requirements to be banned.

It is a matter of picking your battles. I have no need to fight this battle with you as you continue repeating yourself without thought as to your argument. You should look perhaps at your daily life of caffeine, nicotine, air pollution, sloth, and perhaps you will realize that unless you plan on riding a camel, never using a mobile phone, and forgoing electricity then you need to realize that modernization includes some sacrifices to your strict beleifs.

Since I know you will post you no pork or alcohol as your argument then I know a good camel dealer on Salwa Rd and plenty of smokers to take your cigarettes and sheesha.

As for daily caffeine intake from soda, coffee, and tea I am sure the ladis need refreshments for their next get together.

Your car and mobile can be given to me so that you will no longer have to suffer from the afflictions caused by these devices.

I hope you enjoy riding the desert on your high camel drinking nothing but water.

Hmmm- which personality is coming out today?

I agree with your statement richard.

Do not invite death by the error of your life, nor bring on destruction by the works of your hands; because God did not make death, and he does not delight in the death of the living.

Solomon Chapter 1, verses 12-13

Deal All,

Why you may not find something sold here in Qatar if even it is sold in another Arabic or Muslim country…

First of all:

We are all agree, that we live in an Arabic Muslim country, which should apply Islamic rules as much as they can…

From Islamic rules:

If something is Haram or forbidden (i.e. wine, pork, prostitution, robbery, killing etc), it is consequently forbidden to trade it, or make money from it.

As a little example, I if know that some good is stolen and offered to me to buy, it is Haram to buy it and I will share the one who stole it the sin he committed.

Therefore, it should be the general situation for all Muslims countries, however and as you all know, we are in the nice 21st century and some countries deviate from Islamic rules toward non-Muslim and mankind rules.

Unfortunately, these countries do not represent their own people or even the majority of them; however they want to gain the west satisfaction by following their rules and show them they become modernized as they want (Modern Islam).

People who trade in this forbidden staff are either non Muslim or disobedient Muslims who sold their religion for some money or power.

It was easy for the west to ignore some or all of the Christianity rules and even all religion to become atheist and do whatever they want; however it will not be happen to the whole Muslims till the end of life, it is one of the main properties in Islam “All Muslims will never banded on a delusion till the end of life”.

I hope that my point is clearly explained, however I bet a lot of you will still ask why to prohibit trade in Haram if you someone else want it…

If you want to know more about this, you should start read and understand Islamic rules.

Reading about Islam, is not a sin, or means by default that you are going to be a Muslim, it is just a kind of knowing about the others especially if you live among them.

I have supplied more links in English, French for people who like to know in another topic, and I am happy to provide them again.

http://www.harunyahya.com/index.php

http://www.al-islam.com/eng/

this link is not for anything but to listen from people from you, live in your countries and have lived your life…what they

think about Islam and why the chose it.

http://www.turntoislam.com/

Finally, I hope my words is understandable and was not offensive to any one.

Regards,

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"Did ye then think that We had created you in jest, and that ye would not be brought back to Us (for account)?"

Surah "Al Mo'Emnon" verse (115)

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Yes, I'm still very healthy, young and much hungry everyday.

Do not invite death by the error of your life, nor bring on destruction by the works of your hands; because God did not make death, and he does not delight in the death of the living.

Solomon Chapter 1, verses 12-13

Let's not get too oversensitive about things. Religious belief is both an important and a private matter. The main religions have a lot in common. A belief in one God. If there is only one God, by definition it must be the same God.

Religion is about faith. Believing in something without proof. None of us will know until we are dead. We should be self confident in our various faiths and not take offense to other people's beliefs.

If I am a Christian, I have to accept that Muslims and Jews do not believe that Jesus is the son of God. There is nothing offensive about this. Equally, I have to accept that muslims believe pork and alcohol to be haram and that they should only eat food that is halal. That is fine by me. I am happy for muslims to practise their religion without interruption or criticism in my country (and many do). It is none of my business and their right to do so.

Equally, I believe that muslims should be tolerant of other beliefs and lifestyles and that they should not take offense unless those actions directly affect or undermine them. Muslims have every right to be confident in Islam and their lifestyles and to expect others to respect them. Because they are confident in themselves, they should not easily take offense to those who think and believe differently because it should not affect them.

you are very adventurous (spelling?) with your meals :-)

I got one avid collection of memories on different species of fauna, I have munch on in my life.

Lets start with:

Reptiles:

Snakes - Rattle snakes and Boa constritctor

Iguanas- The kind you buy in the pet store.

Alligators- fresh water species

Crocodiles-salt water species.

Green sea Turtles.

Mammals

Pork

Deer

ELK

Moose

Horse

Bison

cow- "of course".

Camel-very tasty.

Gazelles- Thompson and Impalas species.

Plenty of Goats.

Rabbits.

Raccoon

Possum

Llamas

Kutimundi- Central American raccoon.

Tapir- South America.

Monkey brains in cambodia.

Birds:

Chicken

Turkey-wild and domestic.

Pigeons

Doves

Faisans.

Insects:

Earth worms

Silk Worms.

Beetles

Termites

Tree Ants

Fish

Anything that ends on my fishing pole and hook is good for my dinner table. Except rock fish, sea snakes. Certain species of shark.

Bon Appetite.....

Do not invite death by the error of your life, nor bring on destruction by the works of your hands; because God did not make death, and he does not delight in the death of the living.

Solomon Chapter 1, verses 12-13

All that before my moring coffee..... didn't need it after that one....

Sami, as a western woman, I take offence to what you have said about 'Per your standards, if your women are not at-least half naked, they are not 'dressed' properly.'

That remark was totally uncalled for. Most of the western women here take care to dress with respect for the culture, as we have our fair share of sexual harrassment, just because we are western women..... and we try not to make it worse by dressing inappropriately.....

Infact, I have seen some Arab women with less clothes on than me when I have been out.....

Oh, and I am here, because I was recruited to be here, which must mean a local couldn't fulfil the post as advertised, and back home, I had everything I could ever have dreamed about... including pork, whenever my heart desired.....

So I am not here for anything I wouldn't have had back home...

And again, pork is not dog. It is more widely eaten as a natural part of the diet, unlike dog, which is only a part of peoples diets in situations like in China, where they cannot afford to purchase pork, or as a delicacy. Pork also has high standards for slaughter and health whereas dog has almost no standards because it is not a common part of most peoples diets.

There are probably about 200,000 to 300,000 or more people in Qatar who would purchase pork if it was sold here. That goes with the maybe 4 to 5 billion people worldwide who eat pork regularly (as opposed to the not even 2 billion who eat dog sometimes).

What's the problem here - the guy is simply saying what to do and not to do in Qatar (and the GCC in general).

True - a bit over-prescriptive and please don't use the "F" word (unless addressed to a specific idiot) - Generally it tends to offend.

I'd say Sami has just probably been listening to too many whingers.

Now where were those hookers?

Pretty damned sure I didn't eat dog in China Liana, I ate it in Korea and know what it tastes like. If you were tricked into eating it there, I understand why you might think it is everywhere.

And the focal point of the discussion is not whether or not people find it disgusting, it's whether or not those views should affect whether pork is sold. As Tyler and I have said, you can find dog in the west, and horse and cat and snake and a number of other animals you might find discusting to eat, despite the fact that many people might find it disgusting to eat.

We aren't asking Muslims to eat pork, we are asking to be allowed to eat it ourselves.

First your tone is very rude and you are not respecting other cultures.

Second there are loads and loads of hookers here

Third dont you make fun of how people dress. Many western women don't go round half naked - maybe that is just your little fantasty.

Here is a little Qu'ranic Quote for you, 'There is no adornment like politeness'

So look who is walking round naked now! ha ha

listen Sami to wut quraan is saying:

قل يا أيها الكافرون

لا أعبد ما تعبدون

ولا انتم عابدون ما اعبد

لكم دينكم ولي ديني

Translation in English:

Hey you who are not in Islam

neither I worship wut u r worshiping

nor u worships wut i'm worshipping

you have ur religion and i have my own

Hey Man This is is the real Quraan and Islam which didn't prohibit others from worshipping wut they want and in Allah's words u r free to worship wut u want n i have my own god to worship .. they didn't push or force ppl to go into islam or even to act like they r in islam ...

Man live ur life regarding ur religion n leave others to live their life regarding their religions ..

Rather than bothering others with tough words like ur women is half naked ... it's not ur business if they r half naked or totally naked .. u r not going to force them to wear like muslims cuz they r in islamic country or i have to let my wife to be half naked when we go to the U.S.

am i right?

Hasmi, Sami,

I am a Muslim too and I know that pork is Haram. I understand why you don't want it served here. I love the fact that here you can go anywhere and buy food and it is all Halal.

But at the end of the day, the word "pig" is not an offensive word. While pigs may be dirty animals (and I really don't want to get into a discussion about the validity of that statement here - I know you guys covered it in detail in another thread), it is still an animal and thus a creation of God. Being a creation of God it has certain rights. That's why Muslims aren't going around trying to exterminate all pigs on the planet. They serve a purpose in nature and we are just not allowed to eat them.

We should not feel afraid when people ask questions about our religion. And at the end, some of us will never accept certain propositions. That's fine - at that point we say "I have explained what I believe true - you are free to accept or reject it" and we smile and carry on being nice people.

Once we start shouting and screaming and cursing each other, the whole thing becomes useless.

I have yet to see any non-muslim defame islam. The majority of the religious "Mine is better" and degrading comments on religions have come from certain muslims. The idea behind discussion and discourse is learning and sharing of experience. In discussing these topics in an open and uncontrolled forum it allows individuals to express themselves and perhaps to ask questions which they would not ask in a controlled environment.

As for discussing certain items which may be touched on by any religion it is up to an individual as to wether or not religion should be brought into play with any topic.

The statement "Pork is forbidden in Islam" may be fact but when an individual goes on to say "do not discuss pork becasue it is forbidden in islam and is disgusting" leaves many avenues to pursue in a discussion due to that individual introducing his/her emotion, thoughts, and feelings. We may question the why behind a fact yet as humans we (no religion is exempt) tend to attack or become defensive when thoughts, emotions, and conjecture are brought into any topic within any medium.

And yes dog is eaten in the US as is CAT. There are controls in place as to the random slaughtering of starys and pets but there sources for these items. As are there sources for kosher and halal foods. Although not mainstream nor easy to find they do exist.

Love all mankind, ignore idiots, kill extremists (oops guess that makes me extremist....darn...)

Hmmm- which personality is coming out today?

if you think you didnt eat dog in China you're kidding yourself.

Regardless of whether its a delicacy or of the health standards, the focul point of this discussion is what people find disgusting, even if it is subjective rather than based on actual "sanitary science".

I find the thought of eating dog disgusting (nothing against you though).

and muslims find the thought of eating pork disgusting. so they have every right to disallow it in their country, and I wont complain about that. I'd be so repulsed if there were dog chops next to the lamb chops in carrefour! regardless if it was sanitary or not!!

Also the only reason that dog is not legal to eat in Europe or the US is because there are no health standards for slaughtering them (unlike pigs). You can't just take an animal of the street, kill it and serve it in your restuarant, that's not sanitary, and that is what is illegal, not the actual eating of dog. If I wanted to kill and eat my dog I would have every right to do so as long as I wasn't serving it to others.

Actually Liana Banana that's not true at all. I've been to many restuarants in China and was not once served dog.

As to whether or not the Chinese eat them off the street like the Mexicans, they do that because they are abundant and because they cannot afford to purchase other meats. In some places people eat rat off the street. You can't compare what people kill and eat because they don't have an alternative, to a normal everyday cleanly slaughtered pig.

If given an alternative they would eat pork, because dog meat is quite gamey and infact is only supposed to be eaten by men as an aphrodisiac.

And once again, you can't buy dog in a grocery store, unlike pig.

on the contrary Mulie the dog and pig debates are rather similar. Go to pretty much any restaurant in China and thhe main meat will be dog, mainly because its more accessible.

Dogs can live by themselves and breed in the city without needing to be fed by humans, as opposed to beef or sheep. they multiply and the Chinese eat them off the street. same as mexico.

i find it repulsive and although i like bacon and eggs on the odd saturday morning in melbourne dont bother ranting and raving about it here because they find it gross! end of story!

Hi Guys... This is really Disgusting If people are here to criticise any cast or religion. As I am very new to this conversation but I had gone through all the comments, I would really convey my thanks to Hashmi he has done a good job with his comments!! That's the spirit brother...

" Islam teach to us respect others if they are muslim/non-muslim"

Give respect and take respect...

Regards,

A.Quddus

You claim that you do no t like the threads on certain topics....ignore them. If you would look into the history on those postings however they have been the most popular threads on the forum. The idea behind these threads was not to insult, degrade, or anger any single individual. The thought that was behind these threads was to find topics which all of us could discuss, post, and argue. These threads have generated positive and negative comments, yet they have generated comments.

The fact that people continue replying to these controversial threads is what has kept them going and the conversations make the forum intersting. If you do not like a thread then let it die as so many other threads do each day.

This forum wwas getting to the point that many of us did not want to log in because it was always the same topics of "how much can I make?", "where do i?" , and other such topics. These are fine topics and members on this forum will continue to offer advice yet they get boring and repetitive after so many days reading them.

The idea behind online forums is the ability to express one's self and thoughts. In fact this thread is continuing, perhaps in a more negative slant, the idea of free expression and thought. These ideals are held by most humans as we all enjoy others listening to what we have to say and feeling as though we are valued for not just what we do each day.

Continue supporting threads you enjoy, dissent with those you do not, and ignore threads which offend or do not interest you.

Thank you for keeping the forum alive and interesting by continuing to post you personal feelings, beleifs, thoughts, ideals, and even the occasional rant about ANY topic you wish as I will be doing the same.

Hmmm- which personality is coming out today?

"And regarding the pork thing, I wish if some westerns expats can tell me why koreans,chineese can not eat dogs in the us or europe as they do in their own countries. I am sure it is cause eating dogs is seen as disgusting in the American culture. I think a lot of muslims do see eating pork is disgusting too."

This dog analogy could not be more wrong.

First of all, pork is a basic and almost daily part of many many cultures diets, including Korean and Chinese. Dog however is a delicacy, like snails. Restuarants that serve it in these coutries are few and far between, and it is usually only eaten on special occasions or by tourists who want to try dog. Unlike Pork which is eaten everywhere.

Secondly, you can eat dog in North America and Europe. You just have to know which restuarants to go too. Technically it is illegal but a blind eye is often turned to it as long as the dogs are slaughtered humanly, the same as in Korea or China where eating dog is technically also illegal. Just like eating horse meat, etc. My guess is you could probably find a few places around here that will serve you dog if you know how to ask. Thing is, most Koreans or Chinese wouldn't because frankly, unlike pork, it isn't that tasty.

So please stop using the dog analogy since it isn't even close to being on the same scale as pork. With the exception of here, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia pork is sold in grocery stores all over the world, unlike dog which is sold nowhere.

Qatari

Yes Sami used a bit hard wording to express his feeling but brother if you check the actual cause of that posting you will find him right.

Since couple of week a useless disscusion is carried on Pork,Pig regardless that a lot of persons not liking that postings. Some of our friends actually not like Muslims, not like Islam and find ways to finger out the issues.

You know pig is also considered as most abusive word and even in some of Islamic country people never use this word, for me its also uncomfortable when i check the QL posts and my days started with Pork Disscusion.

I agreed , our friends have full freedom and rights to criticise Muslims, Religion but Please consider that One's freedom ended when its touching other's freedom circle.

Thanks & Regards

HaShMi

Ya walad, thats why you're the boss.

Listen Bro, you need to relax a bit.

Firstly, the tone of your post isn't very civil - not the way to convince people that you (and your religion) is very nice.

Second, people are free to discuss these issues here. Personally, I believe pork is haram, alcohol is bad and so on. Others don't. And this is a place where we can talk about it and explain why we believe these things. The fact that we have different beliefs makes life interesting.

Third, from your other posts it seems that you aren't in Qatar yet. When you get here you'll see that this place is very cosmopolitan. There are people from around the world here - it's fantastic to learn and understand different cultures.

Fourth and most importantly, the solution is not "if you don't like it leave". The relationship between capital and labour is symbiotic. Expats have skills and capital has money. If there were no expats Qatar would look very different. Expats are not out here begging for jobs - Qatar is begging for top notch labour.

Next time please play nice - you could have easily stated your case and had a proper discussion without using bad language and sounding angry.

I like your dog example firstar. It is really same concept.

Maybe sami needs a reality check.

Someone has definitely rattled his cage

what happened sami, are u pissed off about something. you definitely sound pretty agitated.

did someone say something to you or are you just plain frustrated by how others feel they need to behave here like they do in their homeland :-)

happy heart

drive safe because someone is waiting for you at home

Have u seen them in the city centre? Some of them from Asian nationality ... i am sure they are as old as my mother (or even older) and try to dress up like a high school girl.

log in into internet forum if you can't stand the comment :-)

Seriously, most of us using the cyber forum to vent / complain and discuss about things. Either good or bad.

In the end of the day ... if we can't take it or fed up with Qatar we can just pack our bag and leave.

I do believe that a lot of points rasied by expats here in qatar are legimate and need to be looked into. But I hope that westerners realise that it is so easy to offend arabs.

Arabs are really sensitive and can get offened really easily when a foregin come to their country and complain about everything.

In the us or europe this might be ok, but here it can be seen by quite number of people that westerners are acting arrogantly.

My advise to westerners is to try to be mature about it your concerns and try to make sure that you are not offending people.

And regarding the pork thing, I wish if some westerns expats can tell me why koreans,chineese can not eat dogs in the us or europe as they do in their own countries. I am sure it is cause eating dogs is seen as disgusting in the American culture. I think a lot of muslims do see eating pork is disgusting too.

I never saw a hooker in my life until I moved here. We bitch because we can and we are bored.

*Haha...do you know how many hookers there are here???? Oh and plenty of liquor.

*Why would you make a comment about how western women dress in the SAME statement about not making fun of how arabs dress?

*As far as that "nasty western superiority attitude"...I want to let you in on a little secret: I have seen that nasty superiority attitude more here than in the states.

Oh and anywhere you live, there will be complaints. I complain about stupid crap in the States and stupid crap here. Deal with it. Oh and if you have seen "both sides of the coin"...then how the hell didn't you know that there are loads of hookers here? Clearly you haven't been exposed to enough.