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jut and rishimba are making feel like i was back in school yawning in my science lectures.

There are limitations, and then there is being unable to prove any more effective than placebo in a controlled experiment.

A cold will get better in 7 days with homeopathy, but it will drag on for a week if you do nothing.

Your appeal to tradition doesn't hold water either. The average life span has doubled since the discovery of germ theroy and an evidence based approach to medicine was used. The big breaks did not happen under homeopathy's watch.

Why dodge the questions? I was asking a few simple questions about your practise. I wanted to know if you would actually put your patients lives in danger while you're busy pretending to be a doctor, or do you actually believe homeopathy is a substitute for say, vaccination?

I'm glad I've wasted your time, every minute you spend here is a minute you're not spending trying to treat illness over the internet with sugar pills and water which are not sutible for curing anything (other than dehydration if you dissove the sugar in the water).

for sharing !

very nice and usuful

dear, every healing science has limitations...and this one is no exception. that doesnt mean that its an 'adhoc fallacy' as you had commented. its there for more than 200 years and millions of people are getting cured using this all over the world.

one should know when to use what..and i know it. i dont have to answer your questions to participate in the fight of ' i know more than you' and so on. there is no healing science which can cure all.

let me tell you, the healing doesnt happen due to the remedy, its the vital force of the person which heals..the remedy just produces a stimuli.

i think i have given you enough information and evidence that sand is also used as a remedy which you initially didnt accept.

oh, btw, my patients are waiting and i have wasted some 5 minutes to clarify things to you..

this is my last post to you and hope you also understand when to go for homeopathy and when not to.

knowledge is of no use unless you know how to use it for your benifit or for the welfare of the mankind...its wisdom. try to have wisdom than massaging your false ego..

you call it potentisation, we call it shaking followed by banging it on a block covered with leather.

The provings in the materia medica make for amusement when you read 'symptoms such as 'often becomes vexed over trifles around midnight', or 'prone to sarcastic outbursts'.

Hahnemann was a docter in a time before germ theroy was discovered, where the most common treatment based on the 4 humours model was bloodletting. Medicine was an art of sorts, far from a science. In those days doing nothing was often better than the conventional treatment.

Science...you don't know the meaning of the word.

Tell me, would you recommend someone travelling to a maleria endemic region take homeopathic anti malaria "remedies" or conventional anti-malarials? would you recommend someone become vaccinated against polio or take a homeopathic 'vaccine'?

Do you believe water can be 'potentised' and 'cures' formed by soundwaves over the internet?

jut, you are on the right track but need a lot of reading before you can grasp the essence of this phenomenon..this is not a simple dilution...its potentisation of the substance by succusing it repeatedly in a medium.

the provings have been done not by one but many physicians and the results of the provings for each remedy was consistent...later compiled as the materia medica. this science originated in germany and the father of this science is dr.hahnemann who was a conventional allopath himself earlier to his inventions.

if you are conservative or reactionary and dont want to learn something new in life, its up to you. i dont lose anything..

for those interested his 'proof' of sands 'medicinal power' is a homeopathic prooving.

The rules of homeopathy are that like cures like. In order to find out what symptoms a substance causes a healthy person has to injest the substance and keep a track of any symptons he/she thinks are being experienced. The idea is that an ill person showing signs of the same symptoms will be cured by this substance.

I.E. in a healthy person, caffine causes you to stay away, therefore the cure for insommnia is caffine. The more the caffine is diluted, the more powerful the 'medicine'.

Hey I didn't make these rules up.

As i said before check out the sci tech evidence check or read some cochrane meta analysis' the links you have provided are what one would refer to as piss poor evidence.

jut, dont try to digress from the subject..you wanted to know the proof...i sent to you the links. you wanted to know about sand's curative power...i sent you the link.

i dont have anything more to prove to you or to anyone else. you can type in some more black on pink i dont care.

poor cricketers, depending on a system of medicine that's failed to progress past a system of balances being the cause of illness, similar to Hippocrates' 4 humours, or the chinese ying/yang system...

while the rest of the world took note of germ theroy and saw it was good.

rishimba, with your appeal to "meta-physics" you are too delving back into the world of Aristotlean thought.

Think of philosophy as science's retarded older brother.

Al-Ghazali, an 11th century scholar realised this as did a number of prominent muslims during the golden age. Europe meanwhile clung onto Aristotlean thought and plunged itself into a dark age.

The above assumes you know what metaphysics actually is.

recently a srilankan colleague informed me that India has sent two of its cricketers to srilanka for ayurvedic treatment of some injuries.

Jut thanks for enlighting me about these so called alternative medicine, I was under the impression that Homeopathy actually did work!

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jut, there are some phenomena which we haven't yet understood but the phenomena exists as the results of which are consistent. thus, this science developed based on the analysis of the results and someday we woulds be able to explain the phenomena too..

all of these may be a part of meta-physics.

post hoc fallacy

The post hoc ergo propter hoc (after this therefore because of this) fallacy is based upon the mistaken notion that simply because one thing happens after another, the first event was a cause of the second event. Post hoc reasoning is the basis for many superstitions and erroneous beliefs.

Many events follow sequential patterns without being causally related. For example, you have a cold, so you drink fluids and two weeks later your cold goes away. You have a headache so you stand on your head and six hours later your headache goes away. You put acne medication on a pimple and three weeks later the pimple goes away. You perform some task exceptionally well after forgetting to bathe, so the next time you have to perform the same task you don't bathe. A solar eclipse occurs so you beat your drums to make the gods spit back the sun. The sun returns, proving to you the efficacy of your action.

You use your dowsing stick and then you find water. You imagine heads coming up on a coin toss and heads comes up. You rub your lucky charm and what you wish for comes true. You lose your lucky charm and you strike out six times. You have a "vision" that a body is going to be found near water or in a field and later a body is found near water or in a field. You have a dream that an airplane crashes and an airplane crashes the next day or crashed the night before.

However, sequences don't establish a probability of causality any more than correlations do. Coincidences happen. Occurring after an event is not sufficient to establish that the prior event caused the later one. To establish the probability of a causal connection between two events, controls must be established to rule out other factors such as chance or some unknown causal factor. Anecdotes aren't sufficient because they rely on intuition and subjective interpretation. A controlled study is necessary to reduce the chance of error from self-deception.

oh by the way... fish treatment for headaches work... i tried it last night :)

that's funny I could swear you were telling me sand could be used as a medicine.

jut, why are you irritated...:) i said i am not trying to convince anybody.

joooooooooooooooood

I get irritated when I see people promoting their pseudoscience of the day, ignoring evience collected from controlled trials with a low risk of bias, at the expense of the lives of other people.

Tell me, which country has the highest number of Polio cases despite there being an effective, cheap vaccine on the market since the 1950's?

Which groups of Alternative medicine happen to be anti-vaccine?

Which alternative medicine enjoys mainstream usage in India? (clue the UK society of this particular 'medicine' was also caught advising patients to not take anti-malarial drugs when visiting endemic malarial zones, instead being advised to take their form of 'medicine'

Coincidences?

subhanallah.

'informative indeed...

Knowledge can make you a rebel or carry that attitude when you encounter false information. cannot blame Jut

Jut ...judging by how you write...you seem to be quite immature....either mentally or physically or both...

how to show you..i can just show you the responses of my patients..

If you show me that, say, homeopathy works, then I will change my mind. I’ll spin on a f**k&^% dime

I’ll be embarrassed as hell, I will run through the streets yelling It’s a miracle! Take physics and bin it!

Water has memory! And while it’s memory of a long lost drop of onion juice is infinite it somehow forgets all the poo it’s had in it!

You show me that it works and how it works

And when I’ve recovered from the shock

I will take a compass and carve 'Fancy That' on the side of my

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jut,its the signature of the material which remains after dilution..anyways, cut it here as you have a prejudice against it and i wont be able to change it.

No, I find it sad that someone thinks homeopathy actually works.

The UK Parlimentary Sci Tech Committiee finally released the results of their evidence check inquiry a few weeks ago and put an end to this stupid 'medicine'

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmsctech/45/4502.htm

Homeopathy is also banned in Qatar which supprised me at first, but kudos to the Govt for understanding what others don't.

Like doesn't cure like.

Water doesn't remember what it's been in contact with.

Grow up.

For the layman let me put this into perspective.

Oscillococcinum 40C is a homeopathic remedy which is used to 'cure' flu made by diluting duck liver in water. The 40C refers to the amount it has been 'successed' (i.e. diluted). The observable universe has approx 10 to the power of 80 (10 followed by 80 0's) atoms in it. One molecule of duck liver in a body of water the size of the observable universe is around the same as a 40C dilution.

i was planning on buying some oysters :)

Thanks I'll nw give Mrs. expat som fish the nexttme she complains of a headache.

jut, you will find it funny but sand has medicinal powers in the potentised form !!

what a load of crap. Common sense advice (eat plently of veg and avoid junk food) dressed up in pseudoscientific nonsense (strawberries keep you young because they have anti-oxidents...they may have antioxidents but they won't do anything to restore your telomeres.)

Just going to pick on the beta carotene can cure lung cancer one because it couldn't be further from the truth.

http://www.cancer.gov/clinicaltrials/results/final-CARET1204

two large scale trials had to be cancelled early because they discovered people taking the beta carotene suppliments were more likely to develop cancer.

I also hate the natural=good implication. Bird poo and stones are natural but I'm sure as hell not going to munch on them.

Don't forget Asprin, made from the bark of the Willow Tree. Proved to cure headaches and reduce the chance of stroke.

Penicilin - bread mould. before, TB was the worlds biggest killer, infected were locked away in sanitariums for the protection of everyone else, now TB is a non issue in the developed world.

Streptomycin - chemical produced by soil bacteria, the first marketed antibiotic, revolutionised medicine in a world ravaged by war.

not to ignore what nature has to offer specifically for relaxation and stress relief... though its labeled 'illegal'

if one understands nature well, he will find that many more things which are considered inert and toxic substances can also be used as remedies in the potentised form.

Thanks for Sharing :)

good tips and advices.

Regards!!

The GOOD Almighty ONE has provided this whole nature for us to share... i am just informing... All praise to the Almighty!

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Thanks for sharing......

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strawberries... yum yum

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very informative

thanks for sharing

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