Engineers Vs Tea boy

PCG & Happy..

your discussion on those issues should be documented and given for OJT personnel for shortcuts!

I can imagine how international experience can be very challenging and may be the total opposite of what one is accustomed to back home. I'm sure all will go well, you seem to be in good control.

Keep up the good work.

Salam

As you know, I struggled with the language and culture stuff inspite of living abroad for years.

It's a tough one. There is so much to take into account.

Language, culture, religion and home stuff.

For me, if you are able to work you have to work.

I have women working for me and if they need time off because their kid is sick, that's fine; actually ditto for the men. As a team we will cover.

All of that is fine, but some people have to understand if you have a job you work for it.

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I'm learning a great deal from you too.

I heard a couple of organizations are stumbling here, despite the large allocated budget. I believe their planning was very poor. Having no consideration of the environment and language barrier are two more crucial elements causing the shut down or delay of projects. The worst of all is to have no risk mitigation study conducted or contingency plan in place!

I hope you'll pull it all together and will be rewarded for that too..:)

Salam

Feel free to disagree at any time with me. I can take it and I could actually learn from it. So don't hold back.

Saving a ship is always hard. Sometimes though we have to make harsh choices. If you let people know first that hard choices are going to be made, it is up to them to either pull themselves up or carry on and call the managers bluff; with them hoping they are safe because they have worked at the same place for years and consider themselves safe.

Hell, nobodys job is safe over here. As I said, I was given hell in a basket. Trying to make a silk purse out off a sows ear. I really can't afford to support deadwood.

I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!

I wouldn't dare to disagree with you, I was just thinking that hiring a replacement isn’t exactly my idea of saving the ship, familiarization time or OJT needed may devour the rest of the "borrowed time" not the best of choices either. But you must be very good at risk management then, great!

Best of luck.

Salam

I have to be harsh. If somebody does not do their job it reflects badly on us all. The book has to stop somewhere. Of course you have to support and encourage; but some people don't just get that.

I took over a sinking ship and it was hell on earth. Got a long way to go. I do treat all the same, if they do well, I appreciate that and I tell them so. To put it bluntly if they fuck up, I tell them so.

Two things happen usually, the person that was praised and rewarded tries even harder, the person that messed up, usually does 2 things, he either tries harder or he/she does not care and again fails.

There are lots of people out there looking for jobs who are just as qualified, in fact some are more qualified. In the current economic climate, people should be working harder not slacking.

I am trying to finish a project that is delayed as it is. I need a good loyal team, I can't afford slackers. It was the people that were lazy and not managed that got us in this mess.

I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!

Well, it's all tied up to your firm's regular employee performance evaluation and self-assessment reviews. Decisions to fire, hire or reward staff shouldn’t be whimsical or mood-dependent. There must be standards in place.

I'm an advocate of management's annual evaluation programs by their employees, that's the proper time to get even..:)

Salam

popcorngirl....you make a great boss...

to extend his gratitude to you for fixing his laptop...

Its a matter of arrogants.Surely an Engineer knowing his superiority will pissed just anybody that gets in his way. The Tea Boy on the other hands will play as much office politics he can for attraction and sympathy for second chances of promotion and reward.

Smoke -

1. Early 20's is not BOY.... MEN it is...

2. Damn.. you got BOX of sweets... See you soon my fren...

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here is another angle.

the teaboy earns much much more than the engineer.

Teaboy+laptop+VOIP+1000 nepalis=loads of moolah.

rgds,

J.J

I thought that was rather harsh attitude. I have a rule for slackers at work, three warnings, on the third “you let go automatically”. It never happened in my team to have to fire someone though. (One of the most aching decisions one has to take against a team member).

Salam

to me it is just plain stupid not to include the whole team.

Don't get me wrong though...if somebody pisses me off, they piss me off. I am harsh. I take no prisoners. I treat all well, but if anybody takes the piss, and before you all comment, that includes Westerners....I will get rid.

I need a good team around me. If they are not up to scratch they go.

I have a dead line and my job is on the line too.

I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!

I wish I can see more of your kind! This is our duty towards the rest of our colleagues. I remind myself that I'm always lower in the chain than my higher-up, I wouldn’t want to be treated any less than a respected human and professional.

I cannot survive through the day without Amir's special cup of tea..:)

Salam

of all the tea boys, photo copiers etc that work for me (us). I call them by their first name ( I think). they always call me Madame, even though they know my real name.

I include them in lower level management desicions and i ask their opinion and they still call me 'mam'....what has got to happen to stop this?????????????

I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!

I didn't mean to address you specifically, it was a general statement that I so believe in and apply.

Just thought I'd share.

Salam

Hmm well for one the Tea boys in my office are actually very young, may be in their early 20's. From tomorrow i'll call them Tea Men :) I also know their names.

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

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I hope we can get used to stop calling a grown up person/colleague a "boy". How about kitchen helper or buffet assistant, and memorize their names. Your manager boy/gal wouldn’t have liked it either.

Just a thought.

Salam

ahh too late, already shared :p

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

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share?the sweets i mean?...lol:)

Yesterday i went over to fix a Qatari guy's wi-fi, it was actually the second time i went over. The first time all i did was put in the username and password and made it secure, he asked me how much i said, its ok no big deal. Second time yesterday he called me as he was having trouble again, it was a minor thing, this time he never offered me any money instead he gave me two BIG freaking boxes of arabic sweets...YUMMMMMMM!! I went home a happy kitty :P

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

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the teaboy was giving you a generous tip.the other guy???well....hmmmmmm......

As I said he showed morals.

CBD I agree with you.

I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!

People Don call it a Tip PLs...

The Money offered was out of Respect and thankful feelings... Not a std 10% of the Bill thing...

It was a .. what can you say.. offering.. or token of respect.. whtever the "Refreshment Person" (PCG happy for sure) could give....

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Onemakikomoto..

don't say weird man :)

if you are put in his position..you would become mentally disturbed believe me..

I don't know how they manage to stand it psycologically..We really have Evil people around who care NOT about those tea boys..

Imagine sitting in the kitchen all day with no pc but glasses and kettles and the rest of it...

When I enter the kitchen, the tea boy is either sleeping, or reading outdated newspapers or playing with cell fone (which i am sure running out of credit)

Sponsoring companies pay them less than they deserve..alot less...

This may not be related to topic but i thought i would say it anyway

I know what you mean by that. I drink Earl Grey tea. I have shown our tea boy, (or 'refreshment person' as our new PC Head says we have to call him) a million times how to make it. He insisted on adding sugar and milk. I do it myself now, as I would have to do anyway back home, so no problem really.

I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!

we have a weird "office attendant"... he doesn't like it when I say "please" or "thank you" every time I ask for a glass of water or a cup of coffee.

yours is pretty generous, ours is just pretty weird., :P

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call me ONE.

Their are some people who are really thoughtful and appreciative on the efforts of other especially when they asked favors from you.. Giving some amount or not, that's still thoughtful as long as they say the small word with a big meaning.... it's "THANK YOU".. DId that engineer says that word to you? or not at all? I hope he did... On the otherhand, Maybe, the Engineer thinks that fixing the Laptop is for company's good assuming that,that laptop is company provided to him(I assumed)... If not, if its personal, then shame on him...( You just mentioned ( HIS LAPTOP, so its quite vague)....

and also, always remember that " It's better to give than to Receive.. Your effort was being appreciated by people here.. and its good.. at least , good people exist...

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You can't teach experience...

Vegas are u referring to Red Pope? i was wondering where that old son of horse is? Has he left Qatar or is he lurking around in a burka somewhere?

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

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You can't teach experience...

you did the right thing. What is to say a group of men did not club together to buy the lap top for them all to use in the camp. I think the engineer just presumed you would repair it as you do work in IT. The tea boy knew you were doing him a favour hence the offer of a tip.

You could have actually refused to do both, however out of your kindess and love of the job you helped. The tea boy was very grateful that is obvious and shows he has morals.

I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!

Sorry yano i only format pc's for tea boyz and engineers, your job title says Manager :p

CuriousButDetermined, yes i'm in the IT department for technical support, but that doesnt mean i have to render support for their own home personal laptops or computers, i do it out of my own free will towards my colleagues, coz i like and want to help them.

My issue here is about how they think they can get free work done for their personal gain through the office rather than spend 30 riyals and get it done outside at a repair shop. I can understand the tea boys dont own a car so they have to make special trip to the shop to give it for repairs and then again to collect it, plus service charges etc, but these guys just take advantage of the fact that they can get it done for free :p

Alexa, my tea boy brought his desktop pc not laptop :p But now a days laptops seem to be getting cheaper i wont be surprised if they do get a laptop soon.

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

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the TEA Boy is earning elsewhere, outside office hours.

And his PC is used as a business tool. Being such, he is simply obliged to do business with you... hence, the tip :)

i could use some re-formatting help on my LT too, windows vista sucks!!!

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It depends on who you are. I assume you are the IT person dedicated to support this department.

Nothing wrong with the engineer if this is the case.

It is just that the tea boy is too good!

I think that is a great idea.

I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!

Sometimes, no matter how much you make, you still don't understand the value of money.

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more money make some one become more curious abt money..but v found pplz earning or having less money hold a pretty big heart...

when ever v ask them of help..they find way to help u out..

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"(The way to love anything is to realize that it might be lost.)"

Smoke next time the engineer ask for Laptop service...just tell him "nice pictures you have in there" and smile....

If he asks what pictures....just smile and say "Nothing"....worked for me a couple of times....lol

People earn a lot always think before they spend a single penny, where as other will not think much about the money they spend for reasonable stuff.

December 21, 2012 ...MAYAN'S PROPHESY ..

don;t judz eople, yeh right.

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mine is

'never under estimate people with nothing to loose'

loooooooooooooo @ that

Poor people are more generous than the

rich ones!!!!

Shows who has the morals.

I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!

all laptops created equal. They all need Doctor Smoke for repair!LOL!

Lol ash! Still having problem too. Sent complaint to mods and was told "clear ur browser"I did! STILL having problems

Whatever you vividly imagine, Ardently desire, Sincerely believe and Enthusiastically act upon, Must inevitably come to pass.

I think the tea boy know your hardwork . where as the engineer knows what you use to do and what you earn .

Any how never mind but what ever the work it may be the tea boy had did his job .I really appreciated his judgement .

Regards

Hum Tum

Doha Qatar

LBP - Blame the QL...

I was trying to post that since ages... but it was not coming on the forum.....

I also sent a complain to Mods...

And then... these many times it came up..... :)

I guess I have booked the Post positions can put the content whenever I feel like.. :)

I wish you were a real Witch... you could have cleaned those posts with your broom.... :)

m I PJing again????

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HUH ash?

Whatever you vividly imagine, Ardently desire, Sincerely believe and Enthusiastically act upon, Must inevitably come to pass.

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I find those most generous are those that are poor! The rich are rich for a reason!

Whatever you vividly imagine, Ardently desire, Sincerely believe and Enthusiastically act upon, Must inevitably come to pass.

Grr yeah i know Karma is a biatch!

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

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Your tea boy seems a sensible person and the other one is wise versa.

Actually he's not the first engineer to come to me with their personal home pc/laptop problems.

Ok seriously getting to the point of the matter is why cant these people take their laptops to the shops or companies to get them repaired? Its nice to think they will get it done free of charge at office. I'm more than happy to help out the poor tea boys with this coz i know the shops charge anywhere between 20 to 40 bucks just to format a pc, which should be dirt cheap for these engineers.

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

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Smoke -

Tell me the last date or year you remember you were doin a official work during office hours......

And you thought it was a surprise tht both chose you to get their personal things done??????? lol

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Smoke, the idea is pretty given, i'm not giving you any, lol.

you should not take from the poor one....instead of taking money from the tea boy... ask the engineer for 1k... (:-D

lol....

The tea Boys response was out of innocence and and thankful...

+'s of Ignorances ... see.. he must have thought you have done a big favor on him.. and repaired his PC which would have had not functioned without you.....

And the Engineer.... 1stly .. I expect .. he must have had thanked you for the services or help offered....

Money he won't give.... as he knows tht might jus offend you... but a pat on the back with Simile of relief on his face would be a price he ll pay.....

But if the Jerk thought... It wasn't a Big deal to press some buttons on the Laptop and format it..... And anybody could do it for him....

Tell him about this Tea Boy... This would be the best way to teach him a Lesson....

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Footballer stop putting ideas in my head now!! :(

I was doing BOTH of them a personal favor on company time, its just that i dont accept small money as gifts, anything above 100 bucks i'll take it :P

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

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do not judge people.... or do not underestimate them!!

Spit-free coffee? are you sure about it? lol

The moral of the story is:

Do not judge people.

says "thank you"... you too should follow his way every time he prepares your tea :P

interesting ........(:-d

i think that was a thoughtful act from your tea boy :-)

The tea boy probably persumed that you were doing him a favour as it was his personal laptop and you were formatting it on company time. :P

Ahh it must be coz i havent shaved my face in weeks, i should have taken the 50 bucks could have bought myself some blades :)

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

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hahahaha

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CONFUSE ............ if you cannot convince!

The Engineer thought that you are earning pretty well, The Tea Boy thought that you were worse off then him..Does that make sense Smokey..lol

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hmm, could be... :P