moon landing a hoax ?!

why wait after 40 years to tell people the moon landing was a hoax? Because, they were Americans?Oh, gimme a break!

Yeps buddy, pheeeewwww, so now its gonna be a remake of the original sci fi thriller.,

"THE MOON LANDERS" ....based on a (supposed to be) TRUE story.

3 times apollo award winner Niel Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin , Mike Collins, in and as THE MOON LANDERS..

From the makers of Apollo, Discovery and Columbia

A white house production..

Running successfully world wide..DON'T MISS IT!!!

---If you can't CONVINCE them, CONFUSE them!!!

There never was an original ajinpt.. it was whole lot of lies tht was sold 2 the world, they conveniently deleted tht, now with digital technology they will recreate 2 iron out the flaws in the original story..

" Dont take life too seriously, you will never get out alive!!!"

Originals got deleted??? OMG!! So, without the original, how is it we can compare?:)

We cant, just have to take their word for it that what we are seeing is in fact a reliable digitalised copy of a "copy" of the original...not a cleaned up copy of the original itself.

Clever hu!! :)Now who told NASA is a piece of Sh*T??

---If you can't CONVINCE them, CONFUSE them!!!

Eco Savvy , thank you back on the topic again ....

Also :

NASA's rebuttal cancelled

In early November 2002 NASA announced that it was cancelling publication of a manuscript by Jim Oberg that was intended to refute the claims that the Moon landings were a hoax. NASA said that this decision was based on the possibility of an outcry raised by people who felt such a book would "legitimize" the very belief it would have debunked. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_landing_conspiracy_theory#Deaths_of_key_people_involved_with_the_Apollo_program

hmm, and why would NASA do that?!

Are they scared !

WASHINGTON – NASA could put a man on the moon but didn't have the sense to keep the original video of the live TV transmission.

In an embarrassing acknowledgment, the space agency said Thursday that it must have erased the Apollo 11 moon footage years ago so that it could reuse the videotape.

But now Hollywood is coming to the rescue.

The studio wizards who restored "Casablanca" are digitally sharpening and cleaning up the ghostly, grainy footage of the moon landing, making it even better than what TV viewers saw on July 20, 1969. They are doing it by working from four copies that NASA scrounged from around the world.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090716/ap_on_sc/us_sci_moon_video

QL: ok, thanks, will check it

Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Lady, I'll make it easy on you... Look in Sayyid Sabiq's well known 'Fiqh-us-Sunnah'. I recommend the one with Shaykh Al-Albani's checking inshaAllaah. You will find the it there...

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

something else,thus making all the teachings of my youth wrong and questionable, so why should anything else be above critism...

___________________________________________

Long hours of devoted prayer and introspection whilst waiting for husband. I love husband.

after the history had been written & re-written in millions of encyclopedias? Well, not wonder someday one would come out and say: the pyramid in Egypt is not actually a pyramid?" what else???

I'm sorry I can't find a direct source in English but you'll learn a lot from islamweb.net

AbuAmerican..

It's not fake.. The Prophet Muhammed was also reported to have said: "Leave whatever your heart rejects." Of course this is not applicable to clear explicit verdicts in the Quran and Hadith but you resort to your heart when something comes up to which you don't know what the fatwa is, or if there was no fatwa at all, like in contemporary issues that come up.

I'm happy with the things rhe way they are now :)

I'll be doing my 1st ramadan this year, i know it's hard the 1st time but next year it will be easyer for me :)

Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

lol Abu, thanks but i don't like making bets

Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

It's not about cleaning socks but about cleaning the feet.. You know, Muslims wash up for the 5 daily prayers and being clean to a Muslim is a serious issue as it affects whether the prayer is acceptable or not.. All the details are recorded because Muslims have preserving the teachings of the Prophet down do a science.

QL: "The Prophet's cousin Ali bin Abi Taleb said: seek fatwa in your heart no matter who many fatwas you were given by others."

Wise words from the profet's cousin, can you tell me where can i read more about it?

Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

[quote:] "attributed to Ali Ibn Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with him) where he said: "If this religion (Islam) was based on one's own reason, the bottom of socks would take precedence in being wiped over the top of socks.' "

Never heard of it.. Check the source and authenticity.

It's a well-known principle that Islam does not contradict with logic nor natural scientific fact.

Abu: Love made that i met this lovelly muslim girl that it's now my wife, that same love took me to read about Islam, after finding that being muslim doesn't mean to stop reazoning and meeting several ppl here that showed me that Islam incentivates you to reason and love everybody, ppl like PM or Amoud, i decided to adopt it and i'm reading more about it, and i hope that with the help of my reason to make it even a better religion into the eyes of thoose that still see it as a religion of fanatics.

Inshallah that i'm sucessful

Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

pet rocks?

Read my earlier explanation..

This is no hoax.. The simple fact is that the Americans spent Billions of dollars and all they brought back was rocks. They were so embarrassed, that they decided not to go back again..

Perhaps Mars will have somthing better..

Actually, my bad. There was only one wire in it. And here is a flag moving in a vacuum.

umm-salayum, you beat me to it with your space oddities.

In the words of X-Files "I want to believe" but the evidence is all wrong!

lol how did this get onto cleaning socks?

Anyway, to the people who question the flapping of the flag. The flag has a piece of wire attached to the upper and left side of it to give the appearance of a flag flying at full mast. Without it, the flag would hang limply on the pole. It is the movement of the wire that the material is attached to that gives it that "flapping" appearance.

Here is the footage of it. You can see the movement of the flag's material is directly related to the person who is holding and moving it.

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LOL Lady, I can find it from an Arab scholar too if you need!! =)

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

Avid, you actually raise a very good point.

There are no laws preventing people from not believing in the moon-landing or that Elvis is dead or Bigfoot...

But there are laws against people in certain countries denying the holocaust...

Truth needs no laws to protect it!!

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

Lady, The statement ABU made earlier about logic would dictate wiping the bottom not the top of the socks, then this is attributed to Ali Ibn Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with him) where he said: "If this religion (Islam) was based on one's own reason, the bottom of socks would take precedence in being wiped over the top of socks.' (Reported by Abu Dawud and Ad-Daraqutni)

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

Thank you.. I posted what I'd heard from Arab scholars. What's not as thick as leather must be removed.

2. Wiping over khuffs or socks that have holes in them

As for wiping over khuffs (leather socks) or socks that are torn with holes, then the scholars have differed in this issue with many opinions. The majority of them forbid it based on a long differing amongst them, which you can see in the detailed discussions found in the books of Fiqh and Al-Muhallaa. Other scholars held the opinion that it was permissible, and this is the opinion that we favor. Our argument for this is that: the source principle is the (absolute) allowance for wiping. So whoever forbids it, or places a condition on it - such as that they must be void of any holes - or he places limits to it, then he is refuted by the statement of the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wassallam):

"Every condition that is not found in the Book of Allaah, then it is false." [Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim]

It has also been authentically reported that Sufyaan Ath-Thawree (rahimahullaah) said: "Wipe over them (the socks) so long as they are attached to your feet. Were the socks of the Muhaajireen and the Ansaar anything but torn (with holes), ripped and tattered?” [Reported by 'Abd-ur-Razzaaq in Al-Musannaf (no. 753) and from that path of narration, by Al-Baihaqee (1/283)]

Ibn Hazm (rahimahullaah) said:

"So if there is found in the khuffs, or whatever is worn on the feet, any holes that are small or large, long or wide, such that some part of the foot is visible, whether a little or a lot, or both, then all of that is the same. And wiping over them is permissible, so long as any part of it continues to attach itself to the feet. This is the opinion of Sufyaan Ath-Thawree, Dawood, Abu Thawr, Ishaaq Ibn Raahawaih and Yazeed Ibn Haaroon." [Al-Muhallaa (2/100)]

Then he (rahimahullaah) goes on to relate the statements of the scholars that forbid it, according to what they contain from differing and contradiction. And then he goes on to refute them and explain that it is an opinion that has no evidence to support it except opinion. Then he closed that with his statement:

“However the truth in this matter is what is reported in the Sunnah, which explains the Qur'aan, in that the ruling for the two feet, which do not have any garment over them to wipe over, is that they must be washed. And the ruling for the two, if there is a garment over them, is that they can be wiped over. This is what is reported in the Sunnah 'and your Lord is not forgetful.' [Surah Maryam: 64] The Messenger r knew, when he commanded for the wiping over the khuffs or whatever is worn on the feet – and he wiped over the socks – that there was large and small holes, as well as no holes, in the shoes, socks and whatever else is worn on the feet. And he r also knew that there existed the footwear that was red, black or white as well as the new and the old. But he r did not specify some of it over another. And if the ruling for that in the Religion varied, then Allaah would not have forgotten to send down revelation concerning it, nor would the Messenger of Allaah r have neglected explaining it, far is he removed from that. Thus, it is correct that the ruling for this wiping applies to all conditions." [Al-Muhallaa (2/100)]

Also, Shaikh-ul-Islaam Ibn Taimiyyah (rahimahullaah) said in his Ikhtiyaaraa (pg. 13):

"It is permissible to wipe over the (foot) garments on one of its two sides - Ibn Tameem and others related this. It is also permissible to wipe over the khuff that has holes in it, so long as it continues to hold that name (khuff) and one is able to walk in it. This is the older of the two opinions Ash-Shaafi'ee held on it, and it is that which Abul-Barakaat and other scholars have preferred."

I say: Ar-Raafi'ee attributed this view in Sharh Al-Wajeez (2/370) to the majority of the scholars and uses as a support for it, his argument that the opinion that forbids wiping over them, narrows the door of this allowance, so one must wipe. And he was correct, may Allaah have mercy on him.

footnotes:

[1] Translator's Note: The word used in this treatise for shoes is na'alayn, which can mean sandals or shoes that do not pass the ankle. At the time of Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alaihi wassallam), the people used to wear these sandals, which were considered shoes. We have decided to translate the word as shoes for fear that if the word sandals were used, people would limit the ruling found in this treatise to just sandals, while the rulings apply to any type of shoe worn on the foot. And Allaah knows best.

[2] Translator's Note: The treatise he is referring to is Al-Mas-h 'Alaa Al-Jawrabain (Wiping over the Socks) by the great scholar of Shaam Jamaal-ud-Deen Al-Qaasimee (rahimahullaah). This treatise of Shaikh Al-Albaanee comes directly after his checking of Al-Qaasimee's book. Al-Albaanee included this last section to the book in order to clarify common misunderstandings present today and to compliment the book. Thus, there will be some references made to this book, such as "as has been stated previously". This means previously in the book Al-Mas-h 'Alaa Al-Jawrabain.

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Muhammad Naasir-ud-Deen Al-Albaanee

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

lady, you h your claims. Is this permissble in Islam??

Here is the claim AGAINST what you have written. May Allaah give you ikhlaas in accepting it...

Rulings for Wiping over the Shoes and Socks

Author: Imaam Muhammad Naasir-ud-Deen Al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah)

Source: His short treatise "Tamaam An-Nash fee Ahkaam Al-Mas-h" [The Complete Guidance regarding the Rules of Wiping (over footwear)]. This treatise appears after the Shaikh's checking to Imaam Jamaal-ud-Deen Al-Qaasimee's book entitled Al-Mas-h 'alaa Al-Jawrabayn (Wiping over the Socks).

1. Wiping over the shoes

ave made quite the claims without bringing one ayaat or narration to support

As for wiping over the shoes (na'alayn) [1] when performing ablution, then it has become popular amongst the contemporary scholars to say that it is not permissible to wipe over them. And we do not know of any evidence to support that claim, other than what has been stated by Al-Baihaqee (rahimahullaah) in his Sunan (1/288):

"The foundation is the obligation for washing the feet, unless there is an established aspect of the Sunnah that makes it more specific, or there is a consensus (ijmaa') in which there is no differing. And wiping over the shoes or the socks is not included in any of the two, and Allaah knows best."

This is what he has stated. And it is well known, unfortunately, that it indicates an unawareness of the previously mentioned ahaadeeth in this treatise [2] regarding the establishment of wiping over the socks and the shoes. And the chains of narration regarding some of them are authentic, as has been clarified previously. This is why At-Turkmanee Al-Hanafee (rahimahullaah) commented on these words, saying:

"This is incorrect, for it has preceded that At-Tirmidhee has authenticated the (hadeeth of) wiping over the socks and the shoes and declared it hasan from the hadeeth of Muzail (radiallahu anhu) on Al-Mugheerah. He also declared the hadeeth of Ad-Dahhaak on Abu Moosaa to be hasan. Also, Ibn Hibbaan has verified wiping over the shoes by authenticating the hadeeth of Aws. Similarly, Ibn Khuzaimah [3] has authenticated the hadeeth of Ibn 'Umar (radiallahu anhu) on wiping over the shoes. And what Al-Baihaqee mentioned from the hadeeth of Zaid Ibn Al-Hibaab on Ath-Thawree (meaning with the chain of narration going to Ibn 'Umar and it was stated previously) regarding wiping over the shoes, is a good hadeeth. Ibn Al-Qataan has also authenticated it on Ibn 'Umar (radiallahu anhu)." [Al-Jauhar-un-Naqee (1/288)]

I say that once you have come to know this, it is not permissible to even hesitate in accepting this allowance - especially after the hadeeth concerning it have been established. This is since, as the author (Al-Qaasimee) has stated in what has been mentioned previously:

"The hadeeth concerning it are authentic, thus there is no recourse other than to hear and obey."

This is especially the case after knowing that the Sahaabah acted in accordance with it. And foremost amongst them, was the rightly guided Khaleefah, 'Alee Ibn Abee Taalib (radiallahu anhu). Furthermore, it is the view that was held by some of the Imaams from the pious predecessors (Salaf As-Saalih), may Allaah be pleased with all of them.

Thus, Ibn Hazm (rahimahullaah) said in Al-Muhallaa (2/103):

"Issue: So if the footwear (khuff) are cut so that they fall beneath the ankles, then wiping over them is permissible. This is the opinion of Al-Awzaa’ee and it has been reported on him that he said: 'The muhrim may wipe over his shoes that come beneath the ankles…' Others have stated: 'He may not wipe over them unless they go over the ankles.'"

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

Of a web forum where people think the moon landings were faked.

I can't be bothered to read all the posts, is there a Zionist conspiracy thrown in somewhere too ?.

No wonder this country is in so much trouble if morons like this are working here.

Shameful

If a fatwa doesn't sound logical reject it especially if it wasn't backed with a Quranic verse or an authentic Hadith. The Prophet's cousin Ali bin Abi Taleb said: seek fatwa in your heart no matter who many fatwas you were given by others.

When applying wudhu you wash/wipe your feet directly with clean water. If you were wearing socks remove them and wipe/wash your feet. NEVER wipe ON the socks.

If you were wearing what Arabs call 'khuf' which are like slippers that cover the whole foot you can wipe on them (All-around not on top) provided that this khuf is made of LEATHER.

Now why do you have to remove the socks but not the leather khuf? Back to logic: Because socks are made of weaved tissue through which dirt can penetrate and reach the feet (like if you step on dirty water). That's why you must remove the socks before you wipe your feet so you can remove any dirt that made its way through the socks material. Whereas the khuf that is made of leather does not allow dirt to penetrate it that's why you only wipe the khuf because your feet are clean, provided that when you put the khuf on your feet were clean.

Please don't bring back memories or rather the mamaries of the triple-Breasted Whore of Eroticon 6.

However, my abduction is no Hoax.. Because I "Believe" it happened..

Sorry, man. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

And if you did, brit, they would say it's a hoax. Just like your story of being abducted and raped by the aliens. You remember? Three breasts?

Damn My theory about the colonization of Mars is correct. I think I'll go into Cyogenic chamber for the next ten years. Then awaken and take a ride on Ares 2...

Those who say it is a hoax must really think the Americans are dead stupid: They spent billions of Dollars for a movie made in Hollywood? Paid from their taxes?

The BBC should also be closed down in all Arabic countries. There's just a broadcast about the event happened 40 years ago. Shame on the BBC! Hoax Broadcasters! I'm oh so disappointed.

Hoax or not it is already believed by billions of people

More lies to come: "NASA will return astronauts to the moon by 2020, using the Ares and Orion spacecraft already under development. Astronauts will set up a lunar outpost – possibly near a south pole site called Shackleton Crater – where they’ll conduct scientific research, as well as test technologies and techniques for possible exploration of Mars and other destinations."

http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/home/lunar_architecture.html

PM, I know you have never claimed that. I was referring to your statement regarding your ex-husband...

"I am repeating what I was told by my ex-husband ... who considered himself a scholar of Islam."

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

Anyone would know I am not :-) But I fell into the trap of learning a lot from my ex-husband who is touted as a very religious and knowledgeable Muslim by all of his family and his friends that I met.

Anyway, thanks for clarifying the issue.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

The difference is between just talking and writing without doing it and "walking the talk". These guys goes all the way up there watched by millions when their rocket blash up. They couldn't be wrong and the millions couldn't be wrong. What say you?

Well PM, you should know that it is from Islaamic scholarship to be humble about ones strength of knowledge. For example look at this statement translated from a Saudi newspaper by one of the great scholars alive today in Riyaadh,

Sheikh Saalih Ibn Fawzan in todays Arabic newspaper says:

I don't consider myself from the scholars, i am still a student of knowledge, a beginner, and I call upon my Lord and say "O My Lord increase me in knowledge" and in the (well known)narrations or wise sayings it is said "Whoever says that he is a scholar then he is ignorant, so i seek refuge that i say i am a scholar."

taken from sahab.net

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

I don't read Arabic or its transliteration. Thanks.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

who considered himself a scholar of Islam. He had great respect for bib Baz but pointed out that no scholar was infallible and used the "earth is flat" statement by bin Baz as proof. If he was wrong -- and I for repeating it -- please forgive me. And I will forgive both of you for jumping to the conclusion that I meant any ill will.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

PM, you really are a bit much. I have been one to defend you against many people who have labeled you as a non-muslim but you seem to have a love affair with giving bullets to your enemies that possess guns.

Shaykh bin Baaz, may Allaah make his scale heavy with good deeds NEVER stated that the Earth was flat. I am almost sure that you already know that but love to slander and mock scholars of al Islaam.

Here is a translated audio of the shaykh's fatwa and I can send the link to the audio file if anyone wishes to hear the arabic...

According to the people knowledge (scholars of Islaam) the earth is round; for indeed Ibn Hazim and a group of other scholars mentioned that there is a consensus (unanimous agreement, Ijmaa') among the people of knowledge that it is round. This means that all of it is connected together thus making the form of the entire planet like a ball. However, Allaah has spread out surface for us and He has placed firm mountains upon it and placed the animals and the seas upon it as a mercy for us. For this reason, Allaah said: "And (do they not look) at the Earth, how it was made FLAT (Sutihat)." [Al-Ghaashiyyah (88): 20]

وَإِلَى الْأَرْضِ كَيْفَ سُطِحَتْ

WA- 'ILAA AL- 'ARD. KAYFA SUT.IH.AT

And at the earth, how it is spread out?

Therefore, it (the Earth) has been made flat for us in regards to its surface, so that people can live on it and so that people can be comfortable upon it.

The fact that it is round does not prevent that its surface has been made flat. This is because something that is round and very large, if it is made flat (its surface), then its surface will become very vast or broad (i.e. having a flat appearance). Yes."

This is the Fatawaa of the Shaikh Ibn Baaz about the earth's flatness and its roundness. So do not listen to those who lie against Islaam, Glorious Qur’aan and Scholars of Islaam. Shaikh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah be always please with him) was not some fool. In fact, such people are liars and slanderers at most, and their sole objective is to obscure and obfuscate the truth.

As the Prophet's (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said in a Hadeeth recorded by Imaam Muslim, "It is sufficient to consider a man lying when he narrates everything that he hears.”

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

I think its got nothing to do with rocket science or aerospace engg. If you still are doubtful, better gotta ask James Cameroon or Steven Speilberg..:0)... I still believe it was done at Disney studios in some Nevada deserts just like any other Sci fi thriller, with only one difference.., the difference being White House was the producer!!!

--- If you can't CONVINCE them, CONFUSE them!!!

bleu I know what a fatwa is, and the fatwa is made with the wisdom and the knowledge of the Islamic scholar based upon the quran and sunnah!

all the scholars do is study Quran and Sunnah!

I am NOT a scholar and I don't have the knowledge they do , so in order to understand some things in Islam we ask the scholars and they explain it to us masha allah.

Its like making a film in the Nevada desert. Stick out an American Flag in the sand, Put someone in a space suit jumping around in a spring shoes, animated the film, and there you got it. By the way, I hope its not the same case with the International Space Station and Rocket Science.

It seems I'll end up debating with every single one on QL.. That's just too much to handle!

Umm-salayum and Abu American..

I'll get back to you later.. We reeeeeeeally need to talk..

Bye..

umm,

A fatwa is a religious ruling of what Muslims are allowed (or not) to do.

The Quran contains the absolute truth, but people could cite it for something that isn't really in it, and claim that it proves what they are saying...

I couldn't understand where a fatwa would have any bearing on NASA. Sheikh bin Baz also is credited with stating that the earth is flat, but maybe you both believe that, too. More power to you.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

LOL ajinpt,

I guess we got of point here, it wasn't suppose to be a religious topic, but somehow it ended up to be one ;(

to bad , really!!!!!

Hmmm.. so waatz the point u guys are making out here? Should someone take all the scholar and fatwa to moon Or did someone meet scholars in moon when landed?? And in b/w what happened to NASA???

---If you can't CONVINCE them, CONFUSE them!!!

QL so you make your own tafsir of the Quran also?

Scholars who been studying Islam all their life and you say they are wrong, did you study Islam all your life?

I think your intelligence has deceived you!!!

[quote:] "QL if everything in the religion was based upon the logic of men then we would wipe over the bottom of the socks during wudu and not the top.."

Why would you wipe the top of the socks??!!

[quote:] "there are clear instances where the Qurann contradicts current day understanding of certain sciences."

The Quran doesn'r contradict with scietific FACTS. If there are any contradictions then either the interpretation of Quran was wrong or there's no scientific fact but a THEORY. In this case reject the theory.

See you laterz..

Why is there a religious discussion on this topic??

This doesn't make sense to me

" Dont take life too seriously, you will never get out alive!!!"

It just doesn't make sense to me umm.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Don't tell me AbuAmerican is a Muslim. Never heard a Muslim talk this way!

PM: Thanks, Abu is living in the Darkness but one day Allah will lighten his path, because He forgives all.

Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Lets concentrate on proving this a hoax guys...

" Dont take life too seriously, you will never get out alive!!!"

Have you forgotten how to write in English???

It's not your place to judge Abu. Just like it is not my place to judge. I would never feel so sure of myself to take God's power and proclaim who is and isn't a Muslim. Apparently you would.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Abu: You forget something, i true belive that my wife's love was a present from Allah to me using Love to show me the right path?

Did Allah designated you as a judge?

One day, you too, Abu, will open your heart to Allah and leave Him, overflow it with love.

"2:111 Yea! Whoever submits himself entirely to Allah and is good to others will be rewarded by his Lord; and will have nothing to fear or to regret"

Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

so QL you are not taking any Fatwas unless they make sense to you , otherwise the scholars are wrong because you using your logic ?!

WOW you amaze me

I've already heard about it. Even if he was a scholar he's not an astronaut so his 'theory' isn't viable. The Quran will NEVER contradict with science or logic.

so if I find the fatwa you guys would accepted ?

I'm talking to the muslims here!

If it is a sound scholar of Islam and he brings his proof form Quran and sunnah , you still reject it?!

Anyways PM , Yes I said already , i made a mistake , don't have the fatwa, can't find it, so therefor I have no proof for what I was saying,

and therefor I'm wrong and I should bring the proof first

so please excuse me

thank you

I wouldn't even look for it.. It just sounds silly!!

Comeon let it go PM, guy made a mistake, he admitted already.

" Dont take life too seriously, you will never get out alive!!!"

so, QL you have come across that fatwa I was talking about?

because I'm still looking for it?

I am still AMAZED that you would even bring up a fatwa as if that would have bearing on NASA -- lol

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

I bow to your superior knowledge regarding the Fatwa etc :o)

As far as the moon is concerned, the space station was a joint venture. The Americans actually footed most of the bill after the Russians nearly gave up on it.

China has already tlked about a moon landing in about five years.

The moon was supposed to be a "stepping stone" for further exploration - Mars being the real target. At present it makes no sense to go to the moon, since the technology required to build structures and sustain life is extremely expensive. Rememer that Congress has severly curtailed the NASA budget..

I have never seen Platato mock Islam. He may not know everything because he is still learning. WHO ARE YOU to pronounce takfir????

Maybe we don't know as much as you think you do but does that mean we are not Muslims? Shame on you.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

This silly fatwa isn't "Islam" but an ignorant statement.

sandeepkadian that is my point also!

they put a space station out , but didn't go back to the moon , don't that space station cost millions of Dollars?

Also I like to believe that China or anybody else would have tried to go to the moon by now, with the new technology we have !

Brit expat, I made a mistake , talking about the fatwa without being able to post the fatwa, I have to take that back !!

So please disregard my statement.

I gave proof form what I found online , and it made sense to me , so based on that I come to believe that the moon landing is a hoax

simple as that

also a Astronaut , not necessarily has to go to the moon, to be a Astronaut, there are Astronaut on the space station all year around , right?!

So many countries are spending huge sums of money in space research and have an active research program.. surely some1 wud have spent a part of that money for this high profile job dont u think brit.. I m not convinced tht money was tht big a hurdle.

" Dont take life too seriously, you will never get out alive!!!"

I have 3-4 words on this:

It doesn't matter.

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Long hours of devoted prayer and introspection whilst waiting for husband. I love husband.

MONEY! It costs a hell of a lot in research, technology and logistics. Not many countries can afford it..

Because money speaks, brit. And when money speaks, Islam is quiet.

PM that is NOT what I said!

I also said disregard my statement about the fatwa , didn't you read?

I gave proof for it being a hoax and it wasn't connected to the fatwa or Islam!

Please read again

The only thing I cant fathom is how come only Americans have succeeded in putting a man on moon, surely the rest of the world is not that far behind in technology.. They had this capability in 1969, and no other country cud match it since then.. anyway its a never ending discussion i guess, some people believe it happened, others like me think it was just a scam to show superiority over USSR during cold war.. To each his own.

" Dont take life too seriously, you will never get out alive!!!"

Hold on.. If a Fatwa says you can't go to the Moon, then why did Prince Sultan bin Salman become the first Arab Astronaut ?

converting -- regardless of the reason. :-(

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

says you can't go to the moon???? And you think the Americans would listen to a fatwa from Saudi to govern their space program????

You've been shown that your initial information was incorrect. There were numerous manned moon landings. Everyone of your points has been answered by schiltze and myself. And now you are going to say it didn't happen because a fatwa said so?

Ya'Allah!

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Another part of the moon landing hoax theory deals with the American flag. The picture that was sent back showed this flag fluttering as in a wind. Some believers in the moon landing hoax feel that this was proof that this firstly.. What about the Moon Rocks.. Scientists all over the world have examined these and agree that they are from the Moon..If we didn't go there, then how did we get them ?

as far as the flag is concerned.. Scientists say that - Since there is no "friction", things don't stop moving as quickly as they would on Earth. Given this pretext, when the astronauts got the flag attached to the surface and straightened, it stayed there longer than what we are accustomed to. Hence the picture was taken with the flag waving is proof that the moon landing hoax theory is incorrect.

BELIVE IT OR NOT !

Shedbabe: i didn't hijacked, i was just replying to Abu

Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Considering the number of people involved at NASA and the team needed to "pull off the stunt", would make it very improbable that it is a hoax..

everybody loves a conspiracy...

Life's a bitch and then you DIE! ;)

The biggest Hoax in history

lol Abu, it's called Love.

Btw how are both situations related?

Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Oh, come on, brit. Another (well documented) hoax.

Magdalene?

Are you sure you're not mixing tour "r's" and "x's"

Jesus dying on the cross, another hoax. The world is full of hoaxes.

Did anyone not see "Capricorn One" ?

umm: No problem, not doubting of you, just showing how silly is that scholar

Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Moon landing, happened.

platao

I don't have the proof for what i said, can't find the fatwa.

So please disregard my statement

until i can bring the proof for what i have said

the moon itself is a hoax!

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Don't get angry with me! I'm only typing what you are thinking!

uMM: wHAT DOES THAT scholar know about landing in moon and astronomy?

Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

The difference is , we can call it as a hoax..:-)

---If you can't CONVINCE them, CONFUSE them!!!

is also a hoax! Lol!!!!

CAn anybody tel me what's the diference it'll make if indeed it's a hoax?

I would stil side with the real stuff!

"Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship"

Brit expat where did u get this photo frm??? I was searching for it for all these years..:-) Yeah I do rem that last trip to the earth . Its such a weird place in blue and green . I guess, thazz because they need 'kukkudukku' to be alive and they call it as 'water'.. sounds weird..hmmm .....I wonder when will those 'mud people' will get stylish like us. And you know what, they are still clinging on to that 'meteor age' technology called internet . They dont even know what ''Nakatu pikatu is!!!

----If you can't CONVINCE them, CONFUSE them!!!

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

Just check the link..

" Dont take life too seriously, you will never get out alive!!!"

You Plonker... Have you forgotten so much... That phrase is very rude..

Anyway, i managed to find a picture of our first landing.... Memories eh ?

Naktua Nikatu Nikto..:)

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HE WHO DARES WINS

lol for all we know, everything could be a hoax! :P

truthful, fire without oxygen? Very funny.

Klaatu barada nikto.

Umm-Salayum wrote

"I know ,all the aliens go to the USA !

Aliens also live in the UK , so they say"

I am proud to annouce that BritExpat and I are extra terrestrial beings..

Has anyone seen that movie KNOWING with Nicolas Cage, I like the ending. That everyone on this earth will die and only two (a boy and Girl) will be lifted into space (Portrayed as heaven)and back to where it all started..:)

Good morning Earthlings...

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HE WHO DARES WINS

Aliens do come to this region.

I was kidnaped by Aliens . After they had taken me to Alpha Centauri Prime, I was probed, prodded, mind melded, abused and finaly dumped in Doha.:o(

Umm-Salayum: Whilst e would all like to believe that ikt was a hox, I prsonaly don't think so!

There are many convincing theories on the moon hoax.

Why does the flag flutter, even though there is no wind on the moon?

Why didn't they set off a firework as a visible sign that could be seen from earth?

etc etc

QL I am , there was a fatwa from one scholars in Saudi , saying you could not go to the moon.

I'm trying to find it insha allah

You can't be serious!

I find it very convincing , also the same thing stands about the radiation....

So they made a space station, but don't go back to the moon, how come the money is there for the space station ?

Also this sound odd:

10 astronauts and others related to the program died in accidents - landing skeptics claim that these are part of a cover-up, and that NASA or other U.S. government agencies were disposing of people who they feared would 'blow the whistle'.

I think that's exactly it. The U.S. hasn't gone back because it is so expensive. In the 1970s the U.S. hit some hard times financially and spending the billions on extending the moon missions was deemed unnecessary by the government. Instead they developed the space shuttle.

American politicians always talk of going back, but when it comes time to pony up the money, there is never enough. Also NASA decided to spend its limited funds on unmanned programs like the Mars rovers.

There are some unmanned missions to the moon planned for the near future, and there has been a lot of talk about a multi-nation manned return to the moon. But I think the reason the program ended, both in the US and the USSR was simply due to economics.

However, I don't see the fact that the US hasn't gone back (or the USSR never made it there) is credible evidence that no landing ever took place.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=

Now I am totally convinced that average mind talks about events. Any QLers from NASA can eleborate on this?

You probably think that Grissom, Chaffee and White did not really burn up in the capsule, don't you?

Because we simply can NOT fly to the moon

OK Schlitz , what about that:

No plans to return to the moon and the Russians have never sent anyone

So if we went to the moon more than 30 years ago, why haven't we gone back, and why haven't the Russians sent anyone to the moon? Despite the apparent ease with which NASA flew 12 men to the lunar surface between 1969 and 1972, traveling to the moon was difficult, dangerous and enormously expensive. The advanced planning and preparation of the spacecraft and crews resulted in spectacularly successful missions which succeeded despite the dangers and the inherent malfunctions of man made equipment. The United States landed men on the moon while the Soviet Union failed in its attempts to build a lunar program despite its hard work. Once the U.S. succeeded, the Soviets primary reason for going to the moon was eliminated and residual work dwindled. Despite the official word of the Soviet Union claiming that they were never in a race to the moon, the post-Soviet Union evidence demonstrates otherwise with lunar landing hardware and the huge N1 booster program as well as training programs for its Cosmonauts. To fly to the moon today would be nearly as difficult and probably more expensive (even accounting for inflation) than it was in the 1960s. Until there is enough motivation to do so, we are unlikely to mount any new missions to the moon in the near future.

Who's a bigger bunch of idiots?...People who think the moon landings were real, or people who think Elvis is still alive? I still believe NASA (Numerous Anomalies and Scams Abound)is the best..lolz

---If you can't CONVINCE them, CONFUSE them!!!

In response:

1. Airflow isn't the only thing that can slice a golfball.. it could have just as easily been hit to the left if it was hit unevenly (easy to do in a space suit).

3. The shot of Neil Armstrong during his "one small step" was taken by an unmanned camera on the strut of the landing craft.

4. The suits are designed to keep pressure in while allowing movement in the joints.

5. They did. They put reflectors up there so a laser shot from earth would reflect back. The one placed there in 1969 is still operational. Others were added in Apollo 14 and 15. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/missions/apollo/apollo_11/experiments/lrr/

9. The retro thrust from the lunar lander blew away all the loose material from around the vehicle's landing gear, exposing the rock underneath. This is why the lander doesn't appear to sink into the surface. This is also why there is no larger crater caused by the rockets.

As for the other points concerned with photography, there is a very good article on it here:

http://www.iangoddard.com/moon01.htm

Cheers.

This one landed much before Neil Armstrong!

way back in 1954!

Imagine!

The missing camera is easy: the camera was fixed on the LM (Landing Module). No need for a camera man.

Drac said:

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Who said I'd organize them? I sometimes listen through them and 'discover' what I have.

LOL Drac, whos that mallu?

MD, How do you organize so much mp3. Have you made playlists or do you enqueue all?

and serving tea

I'm afraid If someone would come up and say ,, "ÿeah i knew this pic . Its taken by Aldrin himself"..I guess these people missed the Mythbusters episode where they busted the conspiricy myth. Oh, I'm sorry, that was a conspiricy too! The ignorance shown by those who believe the conspiracies are wonderful entertainment. Thank you for giving me my laugh today!

---If you can't CONVINCE them, CONFUSE them!!!

Okay, 14.

Drac said:

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Pajju and Rizsk von QL!

A-Cha!

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Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18.

Possibly, edifis. But there would be at least 20 Gbyte of Mp3 I'd have to search. Maybe in ten years.

HHey wait a min,,, magic Dragon..R u sure it wass 6 men who walked on moon? I thought 4 only ,,Armstrong, Collins,Aldrin and Michael Jackson( wasn't he a real moon walker?)..:-) and now wh all r the rest 2??

---If you can't CONVINCE them, CONFUSE them!!!

LOL Dracula , that picture is funny

9 SPACE ODDITIES:

1. Apollo 14 astronaut Allen Shepard played golf on the Moon. In front of a worldwide TV audience, Mission Control teased him about slicing the ball to the right. Yet a slice is caused by uneven air flow over the ball. The Moon has no atmosphere and no air.

2. A camera panned upwards to catch Apollo 16's Lunar Landerlifting off the Moon. Who did the filming?

3. One NASA picture from Apollo 11 is looking up at Neil Armstrong about to take his giant step for mankind. The photographer must have been lying on the planet surface. If Armstrong was the first man on the Moon, then who took the shot?

4. The pressure inside a space suit was greater than inside a football. The astronauts should have been puffed out like the Michelin Man, but were seen freely bending their joints.

5. The Moon landings took place during the Cold War. Why didn't America make a signal on the moon that could be seen from earth? The PR would have been phenomenal and it could have been easily done with magnesium flares.

6. Text from pictures in the article said that only two men walked on the Moon during the Apollo 12 mission. Yet the astronaut reflected in the visor has no camera. Who took the shot?

7. The flags shadow goes behind the rock so doesn't match the dark line in the foreground, which looks like a line cord. So the shadow to the lower right of the spaceman must be the flag. Where is his shadow? And why is the flag fluttering if there is no air or wind on the moon?

8. How can the flag be brightly lit when its side is to the light? And where, in all of these shots, are the stars?

9. The Lander weighed 17 tons yet the astronauts feet seem to have made a bigger dent in the dust. The powerful booster rocket at the base of the Lunar Lander was fired to slow descent to the moons service. Yet it has left no traces of blasting on the dust underneath. It should have created a small crater, yet the booster looks like it's never been fired.

Drac said:

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When Neil Armstrong came back from moon, till 3 days he was only speaking malayali's language.

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Have you got that Johny Cash number MD?

12 different men walked on the moon, and a car.

You won't see any stars in Doha, it's too bright. They took lots of spotlights to the moon to make photos possible at all, edifis.

has happened in history. Your "most people believe" is not backed up with facts. And speaking of facts, you got yours wrong to begin with (saying the moon landing was never repeated) so I hardly feel inclined to entertain your ideas on this matter. I've seen and read it all before. I guess you also believe Elvis is alive and JFK is on life support in an underground Dallas hospital. :-)

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Well then you know the kiddy song, edifis, and I know the country song, where Jack and Jill see the cow jump over the moon. Maybe Johnny Cash was drunk when he sang it.

Yes I do agree, Apollo has done several successful missions.But the point we are trying to make is about apollo 11, the great moon lander.. Now, Tell us why are there never any stars showing in any of the moon pictures? If the Hubble Telescope can see them, why can't the Astro-Nots?

---If you can't CONVINCE them, CONFUSE them!!!

It goes like this......Hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle.....the cow jumped over the moon and then I forgot.

PM

just for you

Why they would fake it

The Soviet Union had been making all the early advances and the greatest progress in the great Moon race.

The Soviet Union launched the first man and the first women in space in 1961 & 1963 and were also the first to orbit the Earth.

With the above happening the US Government had to make some kind of success with President Kennedy promising that the US would put a man on the moon by the end of the 1960's.

Many people believe that NASA had released that it was not possible to go to the moon with the technology available

(Computer chips being as powerful then as a modern washing machines chip) so they resorted to faking the landing to ensure a

victory of the Soviet Union and keep the dollars coming in for real space projects.

No Jack & Jill only can fetch water from the well up the hill!

Although I've been reading QL for a while, this is my first post. I've debated this subject many times with my friends, so I thought I'd speak up.

Either:

a) The moon landing happened as reported, or

b) The U.S. government pulled off a huge conspiracy and has kept the thousands of the scientists, artists, production engineers, camera operators, actors, lighting designers, set builders, etc. necessary to pull off the hoax silent for the last 40 years.

Members of the U.S. government can't even keep information about their extra-marital affairs from leaking out. It would be far easier to go to the moon than successfully orchestrate such an elaborate hoax.

As for the radiation argument, the astronauts were only in the highly radioactive Van Allen belts for an hour or so. Radiation will be a problem on longer trips, but for the relatively short trip to the moon and back, the astronauts were only exposed to 1 percent of a lethal dose of radiation.

Anyway, it's good to be on QL. It looks like you all get into some good discussions.

of Sheraton

Oh Drac, so they speak english over there too?

Jack and Jill. Right, edifis?

bought new gown from Ted lapidus (used pocket money of my siblings) uff just to impress Man on the moon

I knew a cow who could jump over the moon. I saw it in my nursery school books and I my parents said that whatever is written in the school books are good. So I believe.

http://www.qatarliving.com/files/Marsphotos.pps

It wasn't a hoax. I did it, I did it. I've been driving around 2 million kilometers in my lifetime. That's two and a half times to the moon and back! Actually, I am still there, right now.

There was more than one successful manned moon landing: Apollo 12, Apollo 13 (with problems), Apollo 14, Apollo 15, Apollo 16, and Apollo 17.

The reason we haven't been back is because of the funding cuts to NASA and the fact that we didn't find anything financially exploitable there. It's a no-brainer really.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

I watched the Discovery channel program about the conspiracy theory and the flag fluttering in the moon and all. I don't know what to believe now! But that thing about the flag is stupid. Ofcourse they knew that the flags will slouch in the moon and so they could've taken a starched flag!

Moon landing is a sure sure thing. It was in some late 1960's , i guess, they landed in the MOON. Guys even we had a live video coverage at those times!! But what i dont understand is why do they call somewhere in the Nevada desert,(set up by Disney Studios, if i'm not wrong), a MOON?? Anyways, the first moon landing episode was a thriller i guess, I'm looking for the next episode ....lolz,, but guys, its been almost 40 years and no one in the world could add even a trailer to it...

---If you can't CONVINCE them, CONFUSE them!!!

PM I'm sorry to tell you it was a hoax !

And why haven't they been back to the moon in 41 years?

of course it was a hoax, discovery channel doesn't lie.

I have no doubt it was real and am amused that anyone believes it was a conspiracy :-)

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

a pure western conspiracy to fool easterns :P

genesis don't you just love them ?

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it was real!!! Look at MJ with the Moon Walk!

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oooooh here comes the conspiracy theories...

LOL DaRuDe

no need to wonder.

just move around and you will find him in some corner either snoring or whining. :P

oh no , poor thing . You know you have to wonder what other rubbish they teach kids in school :(

I gave him tons of website to explore still he believed

what was taught in school.

ECO you know what really was a solid argument is the deadly radiation in space !

And they still teach that in school , that the moon landing suppose to have happened !

good thing , I home school

fluttering of flag, funny images

LOL ,I wonder who that is?! Hmmm?

we have an alien in doha also known as a jitsu something fighter :D

I know ,all the aliens go to the USA !

Aliens also live in the UK , so they say ....

thanks for the input DaRuDe

Mayb UFO's will land in Gulf if they were running on Oil.. Those alien buggers with their advanced tech never need no oil so mayb thats why they dont come 2 these parts...

They land in USA for Hollywood's benefit..

" Dont take life too seriously, you will never get out alive!!!"

am sure it really must have landed in USA where all the Aliens and UFOs land. strange why never anything lands in Gulf

so do I!

I believe it to be a Hoax

" Dont take life too seriously, you will never get out alive!!!"